Good morning and welcome to another
episode of Fret Buzz The Podcast. My name
is Aaron Sefchick, and I’m Joe McMurray.
Awesome, today we’re gonna talk
about live concerts and
the importance behind going out and
seeing live material and how that plays
a role into you as a musician. What it’s
all about. Yeah, I mean as a musician you
need you need to fuel your fire and a
lot of times that can be as easy as
listening to a great track, but
sometimes it’s even more powerful to go
out and see live music. Absolutely,
there’s nothing like coming away from a
live show and just witnessing the whole
production of things. Whether it’s on a
small a small scale or a large scale.
I’ve been to plenty of concerts both and
everything in between it’s really where
it’s at I mean I know a lot of us are
bedroom or studio rock stars but that
dream of kind of taking that that’s that
that set further is is where it’s really
at you know all those hours of rehearsal
in a basement or in a garage or wherever
it’s at and putting it all together
getting that setlist crafting it making
sure that you’re opening with the cool
ones and closing with the cool ones and
you know thinking about how when you
close with a certain song you don’t want
to make sure that the you lose your
crowd to go to the bar or I mean there’s
a whole bunch that goes into the live
set and making sure that it’s it’s
perfectly crafted it’s extremely
important and there’s no better way to
to learn how to craft a better setlist
than to go watch the best of the best do
it and then also it’s been really
helpful for me at times to see not
professional bands sometimes play
setlist that
maybe aren’t put together in the best
way and to see the the opposite to see
people you know to see them losing
audiences you learn just as much from
that as well oh yeah absolutely I know
any what not to do
yep I know with my my my job it is kind
of interesting because I get the
opportunity to listen to all of my bands
and all the other bands and we do get to
go through that critique of listening to
exactly the setlist that they performed
and the way that they performed it all
that that goes into it it’s kind of
interesting a couple weeks ago a bunch
of my colleagues and I sat around and
did just that and week we’re talking
about you know maybe this wasn’t the
exactly the best
setup in terms of setlist
maybe their performance wasn’t exactly
good or it was about all the band’s we
were kind of talking about and how we
thought that it wasn’t their best
performance and the reasons why yeah
it’s it’s it’s it’s kind of interesting
that’s for sure so what what’s a concert
Aaron that you’ve been to where you came
away or even in the middle of it you
felt like they were putting on an
incredible show and you realized it
while you’re in the moment or right
after the show and maybe what was it
that caused you to feel that way
well hands-down I know exactly what that
is but I know what you’re gonna say –
okay I have to be careful with this
though because I can’t there is a
certain factor for me that has a tends
to throw its bias where depending on
where you’re sitting in the venue plays
a huge role in terms of how much you can
enjoy your time at the concert mm-hmm
and I’ve been in you know in the sticks
you know or out in the field or up in
the bleachers I may not have had such a
good time
so I have a little bit of a skewed view
but hands down it would have to be rush
oh it’s not who I thought you were gonna
say okay all right I thought it was
gonna be a Metallica concert uh no I
mean I’ll get as we go on and I’ll
definitely get into my Metallica stories
and I did have my moments with Metallica
and they were absolutely amazing I
really work but for me seventh row rush
on their 30th tour 30th tour okay was
from the get-go absolutely just I mean
I’m getting chills as I talk about it
was it was amazing to see just three
guys and they they’d been in it and they
were at the top of not I wouldn’t say at
the top of their peak but they were up
there I mean they’d craft there they’d
hone their craft and it’s just getting
so freaking good at vocals people that’s
debate almost millions of people but I
grew an appreciation for Getty I was one
of those people who did not like Getty I
was more of a yes fan when I was younger
but I grew an appreciation for Getty and
what he does and through that I now
actually enjoy get his voice but in the
fact that he plays a killer bass the
fact that he sings and he plays the
since all at the same time Alex Lifeson
may not be the best guitarist in the
world but boy oh boy can that boy play
man he’s he’s really good yeah and then
last but not least obviously Neil’s just
he’s a powerhouse there’s I mean he’s a
machine he’s one of the best drummers in
the world and you put those three
together and that sound that just came
out of just the three of them blew away
all concerts that I’d seen before it was
just this energy that I’d never felt it
was it was amazing
it was just like wow this is intense and
they’re really really good now again
that may have been because I had been
7th row but I’ve seen other concerts
first row that I didn’t get that same
feeling out of so I don’t know and at
the time they weren’t even mic like my
favorite band in the world it was just
like sweet I just get says go see rush
mm-hmm actually one of my students she
had just finished her dissertation and
she was leaving the studio she’s like
well I’m leaving so here’s two tickets
to go see Rush and I was like you’re
you’re seriously giving me these tickets
to go see rush she’s like yep and
they’re seventh row here you go and I
was like so yeah that was just by far
one of the best concerts I’ve ever
walked away from going wow that’s that’s
pretty amazing I didn’t realize you that
you could I mean I’d that time I’d been
to many many concerts but I didn’t
realize the feeling that I could get
from something like that that was just
purely blowing me away how about you
yeah well I mean that’s awesome I’ve
never never had the opportunity to see
rush and I’ve I’ve definitely not seen a
lot of the old classic rock bands that I
grew up listening to at first but um one
of the more powerful experiences that
happen to me you know I’ve been to a lot
of festivals like big festivals and
we’ll get into that later but yeah one
that really comes to mind is being
influential in just my general
excitement about genre of music and kind
of crafting my own music I was in
Asheville North Carolina back in I think
it was two thousand fourteen or fifteen
and I saw it was 2015
I saw the band big something playing at
the Asheville Music Hall and they’re a
band that’s relatively new I mean
they’ve been out for at least five years
now but I know I’ve heard of them I know
I’ve heard them probably from me okay
okay
I mean I’m I’ve been excited about this
band for
since the moment I saw them but I had
never heard of them and we just walked
into this place wanting to see some live
music and they are a touring jam band
and they have this kind of electronic
side to them also okay but definitely
like their lead guitarist is I mean he’s
an awesome rock jam band guitarist
they’ve got a saxophone player who also
plays a electronic saxophone sometimes
okay Nick Clegg’s both during the show
and they’ve got a keys synth player and
I was struck by being in the Asheville
Music Hall filled with people dancing to
instrumental music more than I had I’ve
seen most places I mean festivals you
see it but and I love you know nighttime
jam bands everybody’s dancing and like
really enjoying instrumental
musicianship right you know you’re it’s
the kind of thing like if you’re not
seeing it live it’s lost on a lot of
people but when you experience that sort
of thing live watching a band explore
musically in a way that’s got a whole
crowd dancing and engaged like that mmm
I it really made me an instant fan of
the band and I actually started it
influenced my music in the directions I
was trying to take my bands at the time
just because I you know especially like
albino rhino was doing a lot of we were
in that kind of genre we were funkier
but it was uh to see the response from a
crowd like that really struck me right
and I don’t I think it was the they
grooved so hard was part of it like it
was dancey but very much you know
touching on Allman Brothers and fish and
all the things that I like and uh yeah
it struck me Asheville’s got a great
vibe in general and Asheville music
calls it cool you know a couple hundred
people fit in there okay that’s really
my favorite size venue to see a show
right
I mean people who’ve gone to there’s so
many people out there that say they’ve
oh I’ve seen this band or that band and
you know they saw him it I’ll tell a
pavilion or whatever one of the big the
big pavilions and it’s like you said if
you’re out in the grass in the lawn it’s
a completely different experience than
being either up close at one of those
big concerts or in a small venue where I
mean just the acoustics are so much
different inside if the Energy’s energy
is completely different yeah when you go
see a concert of any sort you you always
have to take an account the venue and
and understand that it’s gonna highly
dictate your experience I as I think
most people would say that you know the
smaller the venue the more intimate and
more enjoyable of an experience arena
and you know the big stadium concerts
they can be cool because you’re amongst
thousands ten thousands you know
hundreds of thousands of people and
that’s cool on a level but I don’t know
that you can get that intimacy with the
band that you can within a smaller venue
they are definitely good to go to
festivals that’s for sure that’s you
know that’s one of those things that you
have to experience in your life that’s
just awesome but I like that intimacy
whether it’s in a you know you know a
couple hundred people within a small
little venue or I do like theater
concerts as well
I like going into a nice concert hall
and and having some good seats and being
able to to see somebody like Pat Metheny
III know it’s something like that that’s
really good
but yeah so okay let’s take it back
where did your concert journey begin Oh
min that’s difficult because I’m not
entirely sure what my first concert was
yeah yeah I
I think I saw Dave Matthews at the I
think it was the hotel Pavilion in
Raleigh okay I was late to the game my
parents didn’t really go to a lot of
live shows like they weren’t going to
big concerts if that’s for sure right
right
so they didn’t take me as a kid and then
I kind of if I was late high school when
I finally went to my own first concert
so I was late to the game okay um but
I’d I think it was Dave Matthews and it
was awesome I mean I I’d never seen
anything like that but I was just out in
the grass
okay did he have do you know if you had
an opener oh man nope I’m sure he did
right right right right I do I have a
better memory of my second concert and
that was seeing Tom Petty Oh play at and
I think the Black Crowes opened Wow and
I didn’t know who the Black Crowes were
at the time right and I became a huge
fan of the Black Crowes and they’ve kind
of always been an influence on my go-to
blues rock kind of sound again just I
like playing that I like listening to
that kind of music yeah I would see that
right up your alley yes I could yeah but
I I mean Tom Petty of course was amazing
and I was listening to lots of Tom Petty
at the time and mm and a thing about Tom
Petty that struck me is like they’re not
like the kind of band you listen to and
you’re like oh the guitar playing and
Tom Petty’s so good like you’re right
right it’s not bad or anything but it’s
it’s not like doesn’t make you think of
awesome guitar but live their guitarist
was pretty awesome I mean the even from
a tone standpoint he had it like a
different guitar for every song and he
had yeah they just had a good sound of
him they’ve obviously they had been
doing it for a long time
mmm they had honed their act and the
audience was you know loves them so yeah
I enjoyed that a lot I would have liked
to have seen Tom Petty
I had the chance I had the opportunity
and I did not get to see him
unfortunately yeah yeah Tom it’s
feel-good music yeah it is it really is
and like you said it’s not about any one
instrument really it’s the overall sound
and then you know just being able to
hear Tom in the band and mm-hmm anyone
it’s like the Traveling Wilburys you
know that would’ve been yeah go see
those guys perform and and it’s again
it’s not necessarily you’re not gonna go
see Roy Orbison because of his guitar
playing or anything like that and you’re
just gonna kind of go because of the
overall sound yeah yeah I mean great
sometimes when you’re riding here in
music you have to step back and think
about people like Tom Petty that you
know a lot of his songs are pretty
simple and people love them
ya know hard to recreate that but ya
gotta be grounded sometimes I was just
having a conversation with you before we
started the show about you know I’m in
now in a songwriting critique class we
were doing every month for doing a new a
new song and I went into this first
month just way too hard I over
complicating things and I’ve already
said that next month I’m I’m going to
like a GC D chord I I think that’s part
of it I think that yes it’s important
for all of us as artists to push
ourselves and we at fret buzz you know
talked about that a lot in terms of
expanding your musical knowledge and and
trying new things out but at the same
time you do have to keep that overall
kind of sight of you know just make sure
the song is good that’s that’s really
what it’s all about and you know people
like Tom Petty and those guys knew that
that was it was really about the heart
of the song and being it what I kind of
sing along and enjoy it just the soul of
it you don’t really have to get it to
these killer licks I see all over
Instagram all the time these people are
like you’re like that’s cool and
everything but
I don’t know I there’s a part of me that
loves that colleague of mine were and I
were talking about like born of Osiris
the other day and some metal metal
artists that we’re talking about and how
that’s really intense of music and
there’s a lot of technique in technical
abilities going into all of that but
sometimes you know just listening to
something like Tom Petty is is good
that’s that’s that’s kind of important
to be able to just get to the root of
the song and maybe it is something like
just a you know what is it
freefall and it’s like yeah the de saucĂ©
so yeah perfect yeah it’s a great
teacher
I love teaching free fallin to kids they
just learn their D chord and it’s like
it’s so distinct it’s so simple and it
sounds so much like the song like as
soon as you go from a D to a D sus4 back
to the D and then to the D says to you
like yeah it’s free fallin –
seven-year-old student can do it and
they like it gets them excited yeah yeah
absolutely yeah you know you’re not
gonna hook in young people to your you
know to be fans of your band if they
it’s harder to do so I think if if they
can’t connect with it the same way now
somebody can play your song or sing your
melody they’re gonna connect with it and
probably remember it and want to listen
to it more yeah I have definitely I’ve
noticed a change in myself over the past
couple years it’s especially apparent to
me since I’ve not been playing in bands
as much I used to be like my goal was to
be the best lead guitarist possible was
kind of my what I always wanted back
when I was playing in bands and you know
that was studying Paul Gilbert and Joe
Bonamassa and Erik Jones
and trying to implement those types of
techniques into my soloing and I’ve
played out so many times now I think
I’ve played like 280 shows and in
Virginia Beach now or in this region
okay and I don’t get the response that I
always dreamed of you know I can pull
off some of the things that I always
wanted to be able to do and the response
is often lackluster there’s sometimes
there’s a musician in the crowd that’s
like that thing you did was awesome
you’re lucky yeah I mean a lot of times
you get like one guy who’s right do it
but like you know you’re to add a venue
full of people and people like the
melodic songs and I think I have I
haven’t want it decided that all of a
sudden I wanted like just become a guy
with an acoustic guitar strumming and
singing simple songs but I’ve it’s
driven me more towards the melodic side
of jazz and the you know the solo
fingerstyle stuff like what we’re
talking about with Dustin the other day
yeah Dustin Furlow and our fingerstyle
episode just being able to carry a full
song melody and harmony and make it like
to be able to be sitting outside around
a campfire and to play something that
sounds beautiful and complete and
enjoyable to me and everybody else like
you’re not gonna sit around a campfire
and run some flashy pentatonic patterns
and no jazz licks no for the most part
nobody cares yeah I might think yeah I
was this listen to a podcast myself and
the same same exact subject came up
where the artist was talking about how
you know you can learn all these crazy
little scales and lead lines and
everything like that but ultimately
nobody it’s not that they don’t care
it’s just the bar where you actually
connect with that is so it just doesn’t
happen people don’t connect with that as
much as if like you said you can’t fire
a couple chords sing-along cuz it’s
really about
mostly mostly songs are about vocals and
the melody line and not that connection
that’s what people hear and that’s what
people want to kind of feel I hate to
say that because I you know I love lead
guitar and I have been driven by it for
decades now yeah you know and I it’s
incredibly fun to play yeah and I’ve
been in technical metal bands and I love
that 10 tensity of it but ultimately um
the majority of people don’t really
think of music like that they just don’t
and that’s okay that’s that’s a that’s
it is what it is
and you either embrace that or you don’t
yeah yeah I’ve been just I’ve been
diggin on the acoustic fingerstyle so
much recently and I heard this song by
Don Ross who Dustin it suggested we
listen to you okay
the guy is awesome on the acoustic
guitar like he’s awesome sick Don Ross
anyway I listened to this song called
Klim bin it’s kale I am V I am okay and
I listened to it and I just I was so
taken in I think I listened to it like
10 times in a row wow I I mean I was
doing other stuff around the house but I
couldn’t stop listening and I like he
does some cool harmonics and percussive
stuff on his guitar at the beginning but
the part that really drew me in was the
the main melody is just such a good
melody and it’s so full cuz he’s you
know he’s doing finger style so he’s got
the chords in the right melody at the
same time and he’s getting some
percussive elements and to hear one man
play something that complete on the
acoustic guitar I mean I’ve been
learning it for the past four days and
yeah I really want to go see more shows
like that mmm if you haven’t heard
kleben by Don Ross I think it’s a great
example of like the melody is not that
complicated it’s a little complicated to
add the chords and stuff right and there
are obviously technical things he’s
doing that are impressive but just to
hear something like that it’s it’s
having a strong melody it goes back to
Tom Petty yeah and yeah it doesn’t have
to be flashy but if the group plays
cohesively and they play as a band
that’s why it’s called it’s why it’s a
band you’re not like you know Joe
Satriani and some guys he paid to play
with him yeah Tom Petty and the
Heartbreakers
I guess his name isn’t it that’s not a
great example but yeah but it’s the
Heartbreakers they’re just as much as
the band is he is it’s not it’s you know
they they fill out that sound if you
just give it Tom yeah you know it’s it’s
it’s one thing but it’s it is it is the
full band no matter who you go see I
mean I’m as you’re saying that I’m
thinking about all the people that I’ve
seen that are not the band anymore it’s
just a single artist I’ve got a whole
book of them
it’s more than just that person sure I’m
definitely going to see that one person
even if they are solo artists but even
on their own unless it’s someone like
like our guest Dustin who does his own
thing and even dust in a time place with
somebody um to kind of get that fuller
sound and be able to play off of other
people that’s extremely important to be
able to watch a musician up on stage do
their solo thing but then you know give
the head nod or whatever it is and don’t
the other person have them take it away
and then play off of each other that’s a
very organic and very cool thing to
witness in here
I enjoy that process and you get a lot
of that with the jam band type of
environment as well yeah jam band
environment it’s it’s easy to see it and
connect with it I mean it happens
constantly and continuously in jazz
concerts and yeah it’s amazing it’s just
a little harder for people to understand
what’s happening it’s just not not as
clear sometimes yeah there was a towards
my end years at Penn State there was and
still is to this day
bar that’s underground called bar blue
and they deck it out and you know neon
blue lights never think but it was Jazz
Club on Thursday nights and there’d be
like little jazz trios or quartets down
there and I’d love to go down there and
just sit in the corner and just listen
to those guys and it’s very cool to be
able to hear that that interplay between
all of them just very interesting yeah I
mean jazz people a lot of times the
rhythm section behind a this person
playing solo they will they’ll react to
the something that the solo player might
be doing rhythmically mm-hmm it’ll start
imitating that or playing in the
offbeat’s when they stop like it’s
really cool to watch good jazz players
do that yes is it’s like they just did
that because of something somebody else
did yep and yeah it’s really fun it’s
really you can learn a lot from watching
that yeah we’re really very in the
moment for them that’s pretty more
that’s like there’s a language that’s
organically happening onstage like when
a great place to see it is when people
trade fors or something in a jazz to it
and they you know for if you haven’t
seen that it’s for any listeners out
there the the somebody will play a solo
for four bars and then the drummer will
take four bars of just plenty drum solo
and then the next person will take a
four bar solo and it’s still going over
the chord progression of the jazz tune
so it it’s a cool time to like you have
you know you’re about to go and you’re
you can kind of play off what the
previous solo solo or did yeah so it’s
really fun to actually be a part of oh
yeah absolutely yeah so what’s a great
jazz show you’ve seen Oh sadness Eenie
yeah I would definitely say Pat Metheny
that’s like one of the more highlighted
shows that I’ve seen huge is that is
that future man that plays with him my
thinking my I’m not sure trying to
figure out who
I’ve seen so many they kind of run
together but yes pat was probably one of
the highlights in terms of jazz the
Yellowjackets that was a really good
show oh yeah I really enjoy enjoy them
they’re newer right you know yellow
jackets no old old old old old they’ve
been around for a very long time I saw
them in 92 I would say okay that it’s
not exactly what I mean by I guess my
new my new is like anything Pat Metheny
still new in you know compared to I
guess I get caught up cuz I listen to a
lot of like old old stuff mm-hmm oh I
see what you’re saying you know I see
Miles Davis and I see what you’re saying
yeah yeah old yeah yeah Charlie Parker
yeah yeah no no no okay I see what
you’re saying okay so 90s then we can be
clear 90s yeah yeah yeah
cuz they’ve got kinda they’re like we’ve
got a fusion edge yeah yes exactly
yeah so yeah the Yellow Jackets I was
also a good one I’m trying to think
about like like yeah I’ve mentioned in
the past like like Pete the Tito Puente
oh yeah it was a really good concert
that I’ve been to boy I would have seen
jazz wise I mean like I said most most
the Jazz that I was had seen was yes
those bigger concerts but a lot of jazz
that I was exposed to just on my own
accord because I wanted to was going
down to the local jazz club and just cuz
I’d sit in the corner and just taking it
all in
yeah if you guys have a place to go see
local jazz I highly suggest even if
you’re not really into it it’s extremely
important that you expose yourself to
the interplay that happens with jazz but
that’s just my two sons yeah there are a
lot of great a lot of great places to
see jazz in the cities I don’t I don’t
know so much out away from the cities
but when we were in when I was living in
DC I remember one of the great shows at
least influential shows on me
I saw was it Bohemian caverns which is
sadly closed down now but it’s on you
Street
I think it’s around you and 10th it’s
kind of near the what’s the venue and
you see there Big D scene 9:30 9:30 club
yeah it’s kind of close to the 9:30 club
it’s on U Street and it has the like
curvy piano on the outside with I think
there’s a saxophone – okay you actually
go there’s one door – like an upper
level bar but to get into the jazz club
you go from the outside down this little
staircase and it was decorated like a
cavern and they had like it was fake but
it had like it’s black-tie stalactites
and stalagmites yeah and had white
tablecloths and it had this little stage
you know you’re sitting like six feet
from the players and I remember being
down there I was in school and I had my
little notebook and I was watching mark
Whitfield is a great jazz guitarist he
went to Berkeley like in the 80s I think
but uh yeah I mean that kind of room is
got stuck the energy so so huge in a
little room like that and they’re you
know sometimes there’s only like 15 20
people in the room and and it’s a you
know you make eye contact with the
musicians and right throughout the show
it’s just a cool it’s a really cool
experience I think I mentioned this on a
previous episode but right before
Christmas I was up in New York City and
I mean I love love going to little jazz
clubs in the village like smalls and
whatever like you just see who’s on
who’s playing like because there’s a
bunch of them so you can oh do I want to
hear a sax player playing lead or do ona
this one’s got a trumpet player you can
kind of pick based on the little
description they put but um those kinds
of gigs are always fun but I did get to
go see Mike Stern play at a nicer venue
called the Iridium which was like
town area and uh man I mean his whole
band’s just he’s so awesome and he’s so
nice yeah and you got to talk to him
that’s pretty cool yeah I think I did
talk about this in a previous previous
episode but because we’re talking about
concerts yeah it was a great show yeah
his bass player was Tom Kennedy was so
good on the bass Andy Andy had Randy
Brecker playing trumpet Michael Brecker
his brother and I mean the guy was the
tone of his trumpet was so good yeah
this is the whole experience of seeing a
a legendary some legendary musicians
playing at a pretty classy classy or the
normal jazz club was yeah pretty awesome
experience that’s yeah I love going to
concerts we’re out there yeah I’ve got
this book so for those of you watching
on YouTube since we do have a YouTube
channel I’ve got this book of concerts
that I created from when I was younger
and this went to I just it’s funny
because you know as I look through this
book it just brings this huge smile to
my face to just think about all these
memories that I’ve had and all these
places that I’ve been to it’s just it’s
absolutely mind-boggling to me to think
about all these concerts that I’ve been
to so my very first rock concert was Bon
Jovi with Jeff Healey the blind guitar
player he was in a movie called
Roadhouse with Patrick Swayze I saw I
think I said Roadhouse – okay long ago I
can’t remember anything about it
yeah yeah yeah No so that was my very
first big Arena concert and I remember
walking away from that like I remember I
still remember because I was probably 16
or something like that but yeah I
remember walk away from that concert
like wow that was that was amazing to
feel that energy from so many people and
to experience that hugeness and that’s I
think that was probably the spark of my
beginnings of I want to go see concerts
that’s that started this huge fire in me
of I want to see as many concerts as I
can while I can
I was and I wasn’t even there to go see
Bon Jovi really I was there to see more
Jeff Healey um I think my girlfriend at
the time wanted to see Bon Jovi but yeah
that spurred this whole thing inside of
me yeah and do you even almost like this
one oh man there’s so many on here so
yeah I saw Dave Matthews Band and big
head Todd that was a very sensible that
was a very small concert that was a
place called rec hall and that was right
after Dave Matthews had released under
the table and dreaming oh yeah so that
was that was really I was the the
opportunity that I was given at Penn
State was pretty amazing and I don’t
have it in here because I never actually
went to the show but at Penn State
there’s this place called the hub and
that’s where everybody congregates and
there’s there all the eateries and
everything like that that’s pretty much
dead center of Penn State and at the
time they’ve since completely remodeled
the place and it’s a completely
different place now but there was a
place called the fishbowl and it was
upstairs and it was called the fishbowl
because maybe was 4,000 square feet
5,000 square feet it was just one big
square and it was a studying room and it
was surrounded by glass and then they
had hallways all the way around this
square glass and on the inside it was
all quiet where people could study but
they would hold concerts inside the
fishbowl at times and I didn’t know it
at the time but these two groups had
come through and and we’re playing and I
was like how these guys were cool but I
was on my way to do something else so I
didn’t actually get to stay and see the
concert but it was Pearl Jam and Red Hot
Chili Peppers
and it was like very chill and very like
low-key and there weren’t like a whole
lot of people there but they were pretty
much nobodies at the time so there were
those kind of opportunities that were
around me most of the time so that it
was kind of cool I saw Hootie and the
Blowfish Toad the Wet Sprocket Billy
Joel Arrowsmith I was really really
really into Torrey animals at one point
so I got to see her boy I’ve been
listener Public Enemy ice-t and House of
Pain yeah
what year was that 1992 that was a good
one that was good I actually got to see
a I saw Snoop Dogg there you go that’s
cool yeah it was a that was fun he’s
just got a great stage presence
yeah not my typical genre but I enjoyed
that thoroughly yeah here’s my
Yellowjackets 1993 okay Weezer mmm
I saw Stevie Nicks with Sheryl Crow and
most of these concerts I actually didn’t
go with anybody I saw them all more
myself mostly sometimes that’s the best
yeah like yeah if you’re with the right
person it’s great but sometimes oh
that’s cool what yours that he looks
young yeah it’s Pat Metheny you showed
me a picture of Pat Metheny on his
brochure ticket like if you’re with
people that want to like they’re more
interested in talking and dancing and
drinking and less like sometimes it can
just be distracting sometimes it’s just
going to a show that you really want to
watch and being able to just focus in is
is really nice sometimes yeah yeah this
was 2005 okay yeah
that’s not that long again no it wasn’t
too bad yeah any group Marvin Hamlisch
tool with Meshuga I saw tool yeah all
points west in New York City
yeah I’ll never forget his
like went up like this we could actually
see him tow whoa it was cool yeah I saw
blink-182
back in Charlotte North Carolina back I
don’t know eight ten years ago and
Travis the drummer they they actually
like lifted his drum stage yeah and had
it like like you know doing crazy stuff
all over you know 30 40 feet in the air
that was pretty awesome did sing
blink-182 was a really fun concert
oh I’m sure well the energy is just
insane in there and people like people
want to wash to it but it’s pretty happy
music in general right yeah maybe it’s
like kind of got some sad like the
lyrics can be dark sometimes but it
still sounds happy yeah we absolutely
it’s got that party at a party attitude
kind of feel yeah yeah the drumming the
drumming is so good and it’s so fun to
listen to and blink-182 you yeah oh God
Oh Yanni I saw Johnny Johnny I don’t
know who Yanni is and I saw yes that was
a good show
let’s see Megadeth mm-hmm government
mule that was a good one a solid gum
yeah what House of Blues in Las Vegas
okay I saw them they played it Duke back
in 2008 I think and I was wandering
around and I like ran into the tour bus
and I had bought a shirt and Warren
Haynes was standing there let me sign it
for me and I still have that shirt I
wore it yeah wore it so much that the
signature is completely gone Oh like do
you like put in a case yeah right like I
was like he signed it right I wore that
for years yeah is that love I love
government mule I love the Holman
brothers and I love that Warren Haynes
and and Derek Trucks came out of that
and and seeing today she Trucks was one
of my favorite yeah I’ve seen them twice
I sell them at Bonnaroo in 2014 and
lock-in Festival in 2016 mm-hm and dared
Tedeschi trucks is
to me I mean it goes back to like the
Tom Petty kind of thing like as a band
their sound is so good like everything
sounds so right her voice Susan Tedeschi
voice is like makes me melt and Derek
Trucks slide playing makes me melt maybe
even more and then like you know now
they have that like they have a horn
section like they’ve got such such a
gospel tinge to their blues and soul
feel like it’s just a love seeing
tedeschi trucks yeah that’s me yeah
let’s see I see Prince here Prince was
an eggshell that was a wonderful show I
saw him close oh it’s good
I think 10th row for that one that was a
there drew his drummer was amazing us
don’t forget he did this like weird
thing where his toms were up here and he
was had these flip type of technique
going it was weird it was very
interesting but and then and then yes
I’ve got Danzig suicidal tendencies and
which is kind of funny because there’s
the bass player who now plays with
Metallica and I’ve seen Metallica a
bunch of times I was obsessed as a
teenager with Metallica I followed them
religiously was in the Metallica fan
club and through the fan club I got
backstage passes and met them yeah I
mean I remember being on the floor with
in the pit and Jason Newsted coming down
and me and me and him head banging
together and actually I knocked heads
with them and after the show he’s like
aw man you were intense yeah I mean it’s
a Metallica show and I’ve been following
you guys for years yeah so yeah bang
heads with the game yeah yeah so I I
really enjoyed that that was a very big
piece of me playing the guitar I
remember getting
ride the lightning I remember traveling
to the neighborhood across from mine
just to get a tab book to learn how to
play you know ride the lightning and
fade to black and it was it was very
important to me to learn how to play
licks like Metallica did so yeah that
was very influential they those guys I I
need to go I don’t really know where to
go see a metal show around here but I
mean you guys back long ago with Tony we
were talking about metal and we did
those two episodes and yeah like you
were talking about the the feeling like
the raw power behind the sound yeah and
I still need to experience that yeah
it’s it’s intense its intense and just
like for someone who’s not accustomed to
going to a jazz show and they’re like I
just don’t understand what they’re doing
and it doesn’t really make sense to me
and this isn’t really music you kind of
have to sit down just like with metal
you have to sit down and just kind of
take it in and try to appreciate exactly
what’s going on the hours and and how
they’ve pieced it together and it may
not be your bag it may not be but to
kind of just soak it in and try to
appreciate what’s gone into it is it’s
important to be able to do that metal is
it’s there’s a lot that goes into it I
mean I think about the sessions that I
had with my band winter long and what we
would go through in order to put those
together versus something like I can’t
really say
Kairos because Kairos quintet was a
little bit different and it was very
professional which was enjoyable that’s
why I enjoyed the Kairos quintet and all
our sessions but much like that was the
metal band that I was in
and we would piece part you know piece
things together and go over them 50
million times because you know it has to
be tight you don’t want to be a metal
band to be sloppy mm-hmm you have to get
that technical ability down and each
person within the band has that
technical ability there’s no really one
person that has that technical ability
it’s it’s cumulative it’s the entire
band that comes together and does the
stops and the breakdowns and there’s you
know speed picking and double-kick going
on and screaming which people don’t like
but there’s definitely a technique to it
and it definitely takes a whole lot of
energy to be able to do that for a whole
show and it’s it’s it’s it’s crazy now I
when I was younger I would go to the pit
but not anymore there’s no way I’d even
touch a pit anymore just because I think
it’s in my old age and I am old for a
lot of these listeners out there I think
it’s kind of stupid just go into a pit
and beat the out of each other
I’d much rather be on the side and just
listen to the music and appreciate what
the musicians are doing that’s that’s
just because I’m a musical nerd I
understand those people that go to
concerts just for the energy that’s
awesome I totally get that been there
done that
but because I’m a musical nerd I’d much
rather just kind of pay attention to
what they’re doing musically on stage
and how it’s all put together mm-hmm
but yeah along the lines of like the
metal shows geez Milwaukee metal fest is
the one that stands out for me it’s not
the same as it was back then there was a
place called the Eagles Auditorium in
was it was something out of a horror
film it was I can’t describe it
I really can’t it is by far the best
venue I’ve been to hands-down and I
don’t know that anybody else would be
able to experience
anything like this it was a dilapidated
building actually half of the building
was actually condemned because it was
caving in I’m surprised that we even had
the concert there in the first place it
was very cool because it had three
levels it had the first level they
completely painted everything black and
I mean everything black and that was a
huge like concert stage above that they
had another double stage I believe it
was and then on top of that they had
this dome looking like almost like The
Shining type of decor it was very like
Victorian and very weird like eerie type
of thing and they had like a balcony
that went all the way around and it was
very odd but anyway and there was a
bowling alley downstairs where we did
all the interviews and that’s where it
was roped off and they had caution signs
but because we were who we were we were
like okay let’s go let’s go beyond the
caution signs and like went into this it
was straight out of a horror film they
had like least locker rooms that like
fluorescent lights were like flashing
and like the locker rooms have been like
completely like destroyed and papers all
over the place from like the 1970s and
then if you went back behind that there
was like this huge room with a swimming
pool that was like caving in and it was
like massed up
it was massed up I I loved it it was
great and anyway I went back there twice
because it was so cool
no one Milwaukee metal fest had people
like I saw death there I’m seeing
pictures here of Chuck shoulder you know
I saw there’s so many bands that I saw
from this actually the first time that I
went I went with my at the time Gary
Owen who was
my drawer my guitarist and then the
drummer Vijay we all went because Vijay
had he was part of the metal show that
was at Penn State at night so he got
press passes so we all went out to
Milwaukee metal fest to do interviews
for the for the radio show so we got to
meet and greet like cradle filth and
Meshuga
and all these high-profile people at the
time I’ve got pictures of venom got all
their signatures talked to them actually
had really extensive interviews with
them just all these high profile metal
bands at the time that you know at the
time they weren’t huge death was
definitely getting their Meshuga was
definitely getting their cradle filth
was definitely getting there but these
were people who were just getting there
you know foothold in the metal scene at
the time
iced earth boy I should go through this
book and try to figure out how all these
people were at the time but yeah it was
amazing amazing experience to be able to
go see that Mehdi it was a two day
napalm death disembodied yeah I
definitely want to see you incantation I
definitely want to see you go see a
metal show Joe I think that one report
back yes and report back and see what
your what you have to say about presser
that’s awesome
yeah I would I would like to I need to
figure out where and when they’ve got to
be out there I just don’t exactly know
where but um obituary Exodus awesome
dude these are like I want to go back
and see these bands Your Enthusiasm is
incredible I need to broken I need to
see what you’re talking about
oh yeah absolutely yeah concerts I mean
again it goes back to what we were
saying at the beginners Bob Dylan
smash different Smashing Pumpkins I’m
just like flipping through pages the g3
tours with like Joe Satriani Steve Vai
inve mom steam Eric Johnson no matter
what concert it is it’s just you know
it’s it’s concerts are there a memory
here’s the Eagles I saw the Eagles
second row kawar I’ve seen them a couple
times Stone Temple Pilots Def Leppard
it’s here’s my signature from robby
krieger going to see him at a very very
very small small venue there were
probably ten to fifteen people there and
I go in and there’s robby krieger and
his band playing you know guitar and i
got to sit down with him afterwards and
chat with him for a good half an hour
and just talk about the doors and him
and what he was doing and it’s it’s
awesome i love going to see concerts i
love the whole experience i mean it
doesn’t matter what kind of concert it
is no matter what you’re gonna walk away
with a memory I mean I have so many many
memories of just concerts and concerts
and concerts and each one has its own
kind of thing whether it’s Megadeth or
you know or if it’s Yanni here or it’s
more of a Hamlisch I haven’t here as
well piano player a comedic comedic
piano player it doesn’t matter what it
is you’re gonna walk away with some kind
of experience and be able to be inspired
that when you go home you have something
pull from whether that’s writing or you
and your band and being able to put a
show together that all plays into it
yeah awesome I I feel like I could go I
think I could fill up a whole episode
with festivals I yeah I would say the
90% of the shows I’ve seen have been at
festivals largely because when you go to
a festival you like see 40 acts in a
weekend yeah I think that first
– I mean even like like Lollapalooza
yeah some Soundgarden and the Ramones
and they’re good the only thing was with
festivals is if you have multiple stages
yours are you know with that company in
children who do I go see I mean in and
that kind of gets into somewhat of I
wanted to talk about with with festivals
I guess here we go wait we did I’ve been
to all points west New York City 2009
and then I went to Firefly in 2013 in
2015
Bonnaroo in 2014 Wow and locking in 2016
awesome and I’m looking to figure out
what I’m gonna do this summer but yeah I
tried to do one big one a year because
it really like helps keep me in touch
with who’s up-and-coming mm-hmm where
the bar is right now for certain genres
but each con each festival is very
different vibe and having been to a lot
of them okay I mean Bonner was just like
Bonner and blue Firefly out of the water
for me okay why why why Firefly you
can’t camp inside and you have to send
Dover Delaware and I mean inside is very
cool it’s you know there’s all these big
clearings in the forest and they have
all kinds of lights and the woods and
you know it’s got at least four big
stages and everything else but yeah not
being able to camp in the actual
festival site right means that you’ve
like if you want to have if you want
something to eat either you’re paying
high prices for the same especially
fireflies like the same eight food
stands everywhere and it’s expensive if
you want to have a beer it’s like
overpriced beer and it’s the same
choices for the same prices everywhere
right right now and walking back to your
tent could be like it might take you an
hour to get out of the festival walk
around the stadium the the NASCAR
stadium to your site and then you got to
go through back through security it’s
just a pain right whereas Bonnaroo you
go through security to get into the
actual onto the farm listen
Manchester Tennessee about an hour south
southwest of Nashville okay and
securities actually assaultin people
have in their cars searched and all
kinds of stuff like there’s some serious
security getting in so it seemed kind of
random to me but once you’re in you know
you’re in you’re in and yes you have to
walk through like a like a checkpoint to
get into the music areas but I mean it’s
nothing
it’s like volunteers because it’s easy
to go back and forth from your tent here
there’s a close enough that when you’re
when you’re camping is the music close
enough that you can actually hear it
from your camping area yeah I mean it
just sounds like if you heard it I
remember growing up I heard the marching
band at the local school like you can
just kind of hear the general noise and
the distance okay so there’s a little
bit of a trek between the camping and
music yeah cuz you it’s not Bonners just
so big it’s a big farm okay there were
80,000 people there it’s big so fun yeah
I mean fireflies I think 60,000 it’s big
too but now are you allowed bring like
all your own food and stuff like that
yeah and that’s part of what I like so
much and it’s got like unique places
throughout Bonnaroo it’s got there’s
this one place where you can get this
awesome food that you can’t get anywhere
else there’s this one place where the
beers a little cheaper okay whatever is
and there’s literally no security like
maybe I shouldn’t say that I love but
once you’re inside once you’re in yeah
like right it’s just like a big kids
playground
there’s arts crafts music everywhere
incredible musical lineups I mean
there’s so much music it’s just nuts I
mean in a lot of festivals are like this
but Bonnaroo has a pretty diverse
because it used to be more of the jam
band kind of festival and it’s gotten so
big that when I went it was like Jack
White Kanye West and Elton John were the
headliners oh my gosh none of none of
whom um that like I mean John Elton John
was great yeah
on Jack White was actually really fun oh
yeah I can imagine really enjoyed that
and didn’t expect to yeah didn’t really
know what I was getting to but you know
still um fries McGee played and dashi
trucks but then like Flaming Lips and
Skrillex and John Butler Trio and like
everything from song day had a lot of
bluegrass like big Yonder Mountain
String Band green sky bluegrass it
really spans the gamut but all that
being said locking is the best right now
in my opinion okay what locking is
smaller it’s like 20,000 people okay
we’re located it’s near Charlottesville
Virginia
okay so it’s also the most conveniently
located for me right but being smaller
it’s just got one main stage all day and
you can kind of like camp out with your
chairs I mean it’s the most laid-back
the most nuanced like there’s not much
commercialization at all okay
camping is it’s that much easier to walk
to your campsite to like go get lunch
sitting hammock for a little bit and
having one stage is pretty awesome
you know Bonnaroo if you want to see
everybody you’re like in the back of one
show and then you’re zipping over to see
somebody else in the end up in the back
of that one yeah it’s a lot of work yeah
when I was at walking I fish played to
the headline two nights
um fries and ween maybe his ween was
actually the headliner one night and
doesn’t oh Tedeschi trucks headline one
night but fish the last night played a
double set and I spent all day working
my way up and I kept thinking I was
gonna go to the bathroom I went like I
saw Gary Clark and like I was like right
at the front by the time I saw Gary
Clark jr. yeah yeah and then fish came
on I was like I can’t lose my spot I was
by myself my whole group had left me and
I had like a camel back on and I was
like sitting down in the middle of you
know fifth row five heads back from the
stage and I saw fish play they played
for like two and a half hours and yeah I
was like from me to you
from Trey playing and like I could see
his fingers
like it’s just like you were saying
earlier about being up close lock-ins
the kind of festival where you can get
that close consistently I did I mean
Bonnaroo I’ve gotten really close I was
really close to sublime it and chili
peppers at Firefly I mean I’ve been up
close to those but you do that you
sacrifice to get there right you might
have to get there you might miss an
entire concert and you’re just pushing
forward with nothing on stage for two
hours right and then you got to go to
the bathroom the whole thing is a
bizarre experience yeah like if you
could have if someone could come up with
a portable like way to go to the
bathroom it would be better than a
bottle as I say it would be model very
helpful yeah lock-ins just laid back
Lakhan has the best combination of the
best Jam ban kind of scene music jam
bands southern rock blues rock and the
size it’s just got the best vibe for me
now for okay so most of these are going
to be multiple day events correct bunner
is 4 days Firefly is 3 or 4 now
definitely I think fireplace for now
lock-ins only 3 so bright I think
although maybe it’s getting big enough
to be for now yeah I’ve never done a
four day event I think that would be the
you’d have to go with the right people
yes you got to get the right people yeah
you got to get the right people to be
able to do something like that
people who are open-minded like about
their musical well generally selection
going to a jam band II kind of
I don’t want to typify anybody that’s
for sure don’t give me any angry letters
but I would say that generally if you’re
gonna go with a jam band II kind of vibe
that that is the kind of person that’s
generally gonna be open to camping out
and yeah yeah being dirty for a couple
of days don’t worry about showers and
stuff like that so yeah I would totally
do that I would do that with a good
group of people
I would even do that on my own I would
go people are super nice well yeah we’ve
adopted people into our groups like
there’s like random one or two people
beside us or really by themselves but
you know there’s like a couple that came
and they happen to be camping beside you
and you just kind of you know there’s
always acoustic guitars and djembe A’s
and stuff around and your coat you know
we bring the big shade canopy and a camp
stove and chairs and just I mean that’s
also if you like my wife didn’t camp
growing up and like I explained to her
like camping having fun camping is half
the battle is knowing how to camp well
right like if you just go out there with
nothing it’s gonna be crappy but if you
show up with all the good you know good
food and a way to cook it chairs and
comfortable sleeping like therm-a-rest
sleeping pads and a good tent and you
know how to put the tarp under right so
you know if it rains you’re not gonna
get wet like right there’s some obvious
things little camping skills can make
the whole experience way better yeah
yeah absolutely and uh and that’s you
know it’s not just the festivals it’s
not just about the music it’s it’s
really having a good group and having
it’s all the all the jams around the the
tent and all the like crafts and arts
and all the other stuff like just
literally wandering around a giant farm
in the middle of Tennessee or in the
middle of in the mountains of Virginia
yeah like bouncing whether alcohol and
drugs there there was one I did all
points west in New York City it rained
hard one day I remember sings oh it was
absolutely fun it was one of the most
fun things like I saw the Black Keys in
2000 I guess it was nine at that and
like didn’t know who they were
yeah and like it was just a mosh in the
mud like not like an angry mosh but just
everybody’s jumping up and down in the
mud and at that point you just don’t
care yeah people are like
lighting in the like running and diving
and sliding in the mud and yep like it’s
an awesome way to see a show yeah crowd
surfing you have crowd surfing my way up
to the front of the stage been ripped
off by one of those security people at
the front and it looks like funnel every
but I mean so many people are doing that
they just funnel you they’re just trying
to get you safely off the crowd oh yeah
yeah yeah out of the way and you have
your like moment of glory that you’re
like two feet off the stage you get to
walk by and you’re looking up at the
band yep yep yeah I actually lost I lost
my phone doing that oh I like get done
and it had fallen out of my pocket well
crowd surfing and I was iPhone is
probably immediately hitting mud I ran
I’ve retraced my path and somebody’s
like I was asking about it and somebody
had it and gave it to me no it got it
back like thousands of people and I had
retraced I was I knew basically I knew
were my friends we’re in an it was a
pretty straight line to the stage the
Hulk Wow
and I just kept anybody seen a phone I
was just crowd surfing lost my phone and
somebody’s like this one
Oh like oh my gosh that’s a needle in a
haystack right there yeah that’s funny
that was during I was watching Incubus
it that was Louise he chili cook-off
that would have been a good show they
were they were awesome that was Incubus
cake yeah it was a cool you know like a
one that was a one day yeah thing at the
old RFK Stadium in Washington DC
you know they I don’t know that they do
it anymore but it was you know music and
they had actually they actually had a
chili cook-off and you can go and they
had 1,500 chili people you could buy
chili Wow
festivals of the past man there they are
just
I mean a concert is a venue concert
where you sit in a seat or you go to a
little concert hole and your bar or
something like that and you find
yourself a table and you get drinks and
that’s that’s definitely fun and
intimate and there’s a lot I know we
were saying this at the beginning that’s
you know I prefer that but now that I
think about it you know there’s no real
one is better over the other because you
get a different experience from each you
know you get that into the sea and you
get the you know you can go to the
bathroom anytime you want get food
anytime and it’s only a couple hours you
get to go home but at the same time
festivals are amazing because you get
you do get that camaraderie with people
around you and you’re all there for the
same reasons and you can do a bunch of
different good talent oh you’ve never
heard of beforehand and you come out of
a festival with like ten new bands that
you’re excited about yes it’s like the
biggest musical extravagant like it will
if you’re not excited about the music
you’ve been listening to you go to a
festival you come out of it with a whole
new excitement about the music scene the
contemporary music scene yeah yeah
finding new people you’ve never heard of
and yeah it’s just it’s concerts are
wonderful yeah there’s been a great
great topic to uh to talk about this has
been one of you know it’s not so
technical just yeah something that we
obviously enjoy and we’ve seen a lot of
different types of music and they all
have their their benefits and downsides
and mm-hmm
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if you guys out there have concerts that
you want to talk about or let you know
share a story let us know yeah I would
love to to hear what you guys the
stories are any of them throughout the
years concerts are our fun and obviously
you know they’re enjoyable they excite
you for good reason there’s a lot of
energy within a concert and
and they keep you kind of wanting to
come back for more and more it just
weren’t so damn expensive
but yeah you can go to local shows for
pretty cheap mm-hmm
you don’t have to go pay a hundred bucks
to go see a single act Yeah right
you know and if you break down how much
a festival is if you see if you out of
Honor ooh and see even just there ten
acts a day that’s 40 40 shows for about
400 bucks it’s it’s about ten dollars a
concert it’s not too bad yeah yeah and
and as I’m sitting here I’m thinking it
go out and support your local music us
musicians obviously we all know we don’t
make a whole lot of money
and I know it’s you know musicians
talking to musicians saying go out and
spend your money yeah I know how many
money but yeah the more that we do that
the more that we can thrive it’s it’s
important to support each other that’s
for sure sometimes the local shows are
maybe the technical skills aren’t as
crazy good as the best bands in the
world that you see at a major festival
but the energy can sometimes be just as
high you know a band playing for their
friends at a local venue can have just
as much excitement and enthusiasm as a
big stage at a at a big concert yeah
and like like I said you know you may be
going on your way to somewhere and
traveling through the fishbowl and all
of a sudden you see this been labeled
Chili Peppers and Pearl Jam you’re like
yeah I never heard these guys before
wonder what they’re all about you might
pass up an opportunity check out as much
as you can yeah thank you for tuning in
for another episode of fret buzz the
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show let us know yeah y’all have an
awesome awesome week and I’ll see you
next time
yep absolutely we’ll see you next
Thursday alright alright yeah
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