Hello everybody. Welcome to Fret Buzz The
Podcast. I’m Aaron Sefchick, I’m Joe
McMurray and today we’re gonna talk a
little bit about some bass today. With us
we have Randy Nicklas, hi Randy. hi guys
Welcome Randy.
Randy’s been playing bass for
quite some time. I’ve known Randy for years. I’ve
played with him quite a few times, he’s
got his own brand that we’ll talk about
today. yeah just an all-around cool dude
you’re definitely gonna want to learn
more about him and get to know him
check him out yeah oh you can’t see him
you gotta check out this beard yeah
so welcome Randy oh thank you guys for
having me oh nice morning yeah well
maybe for you it’s kind of nasty all
right so let’s waste no time I actually
want to jump right in I got lots of
things that we could talk about one of
the first things that I definitely want
to jump into is bass and how its viewed
it is my perception just from my
experience over the years that going
back to even something like Led Zeppelin
and you look at the all the old Led
Zeppelin videos and everything like that
they’ll show Robert Plant no see Jimmy
Page and occasionally you’ll see John
Bonham doing his thing but the one
person that you never ever see and this
goes for almost all videos that you see
especially in the older times is you
never see the bassist yeah
it’s rather interesting when you
actually start paying attention to just
that the bassist is never ever like the
one who gets the attention and I’ve
always found that kind of interesting
that the bass doesn’t ever really get
that spotlight and it really wasn’t
until Jocko came along that it was like
ooh Bay’s so it’s kind of interesting
and even like where I work and
people who come through the door you
know it’s always Qataris who want to
learn and then beyond that it would be
drummers and then maybe some piano
players but the one person who doesn’t
that like the that doesn’t come through
the door is the bassist yeah I was kind
of wondering what your thoughts are on
I mean they’re pretty right the bass
player is often the unsung hero kind of
a kind of a joke you know you get a lot
of fun poke that you should be the bass
player it’s terrible it’s such a cool
instrument yeah you know I don’t have
that meme that’s like a guitar player
and he’s going home with like three
girls and then like the drummer is going
home with – yeah and the singers gonna
homes one and then the bass player just
going home with a space alright
which pretty much described my whole
high school slash college career because
I love to practice yeah but um I mean
you’re definitely right about Jaco that
dude changed the game yeah did Jaco
change the game because he was playing
the melodies he was not a lot of times
he got famous for playing what isn’t
typically the bass role right I I would
say that too I mean just right
especially being a fretless player
because that wasn’t as common I mean
unless you’re playing upright I guess at
the time um but definitely like you said
yeah I would I would say him playing
melodies and his like technique and his
sound I mean when you listen to his like
tone it was just crazier than any other
bass players yeah I mean you know saying
one thing was like Geddy Lee – I think
oh yeah I mean that was just completely
different I mean don’t get me wrong John
Paul Jones and and like Paul McCartney
they had amazing bass lines oh yeah but
they weren’t like the spotlight they
they didn’t really have that that that I
don’t know that they they should have
had a bigger role um I don’t know how to
explain it it’s it’s it like I said it
really wasn’t until Jocko came along
that he had that kind of like you said
Joe as well that melody that kind of put
the spotlight on bass and everybody’s
kind of like ooh okay not that it wasn’t
around but it was just like oh okay
here’s somebody who’s kind of making it
the voice of the band right yeah I mean
listening to his stuff with like Joni
Mitchell’s same ways yeah it was like
wow like definitely never heard that
before I feel like I meet a lot of
people probably go like oh I’m gonna
play the bass now yeah and it also made
us kind of look back on things like you
know people like James Jamerson or you
know and and like even Paul McCartney’s
bass lines or John Entwistle from The
Who yeah well yeah and you start to go
back and listen these guys that like
we’re kind of underappreciated I mean
even John Paul Jones meant a ramble on
like that oh it’s so good so I think
that guy definitely started making
people appreciate it and then when like
I mean from what I’ve studied like as
soon as we hit the eighties like all
these crazy jazz fusion players came out
yeah and they were just like blowing
minds and you know then you get guys
like Victor Wooten coming on and then
he’s like the best in the world and that
that really like made me want to pick it
up by the time I was like 12 I had
gotten a job and I bought my first bass
yeah and I just remember like looked
like the internet was becoming a thing
so I was like able to see these guys
like flea was like my first one that I
love yep yeah oh yeah yeah my cousin
gave me a Primus CD when I was 13 and I
was like what in my so we’re I’m not
gonna lie I hated it at first but then a
couple listens through and like I
started kind of really getting into like
myself a little bit and figuring out
what I liked in life yeah and Primus was
definitely that oh my gosh yes yeah
that’s a we it was like I was like what
does this circus music dude yes yeah
weird yeah yeah I was the same way I
picked up that first album I was just
like what is this such a different
approach to music and it’s quirky and
it’s fun and it’s just out there and the
way he approaches is because again
here’s a band that that focuses on the
bass Ryan and it’s like wow it but it’s
not like a regular
les is like out there man and it’s
awesome it was so I mean I played pork
soda so many times oh yeah man Frissell
fried to all the jams oh man
yeah and then sailing the Seas of Jesus
Oh every song on there was a classic to
me yeah yeah yeah absolutely yeah yeah
so yeah bass is just kind of interesting
that over the years it’s it wasn’t the
spotlight and then like I said as over
the years where you have people like
Jaco and you have Geddy Lee and yes –
ham and Bruton and and all these cats
who were just like okay now bass is
definitely a big thing and then what I’m
noticing again is is that I don’t really
see that spotlight happening as much
anymore we went through a good period
where the bassist was you know at least
recognized but right now I’m not seeing
– I mean again as I said in many many
episodes before it’s out there it’s just
not prominent like it used to be there
right you don’t have those guys like Stu
ham or Jocko or any one of these I mean
you don’t have a Les Claypool right now
you just don’t have that it’s not exist
I mean I think that also has to do with
the way music is especially the way like
popular music is going you know cuz a
lot of that is done electronically right
and I mean I get it cuz you can make
some pretty cool like I’m into that – I
love production stuff yeah you can get
some pretty cool sounds and I mean
essentially like with like a mode for
example you can get something that’s
more bass than an electric bass alright
so label want those subwoofer rattling
you know crazy big warm room filling
bass sounds as opposed to like an
electric bass of course with some pedals
you can get that too but I think that
may have a lot to do with it because
people are just kind of like and I want
to hire our bass player like now let’s
just make this sweet noise on the
computer or with the synthesizer yeah
yeah I mean they’re out there for sure
still sorry then ara├║jo once again I was
there’s something you can’t get the
smoothness of an electric bass you know
the slides you can’t get that on the
computer no way man
I’ve tried when I’m laying down an idea
and it’s like okay screw this I just
gotta cook on my face yeah yeah yeah
kind of funny I was actually at the Moog
factory last last weekend I was back in
near my parents place in the Asheville
region for Thanksgiving and went and did
a behind-the-scenes tour of the Moog
Factory in oh they do have some super
awesome since it put like these fat bass
sounds right I mean they had like they
look like cabinets I mean that’s what
they used to take around with them I
mean now they’ve got a lot of them where
it’s condensed into one keyboard but
they had all these old cabinets and
stuff well you know yeah 50 little
connecting cables bitching out to make
the different sounds but awesome oh yeah
dude that’s killer I’ve never actually
been there yet I would love to go yeah
it’s worth the stop it’s easy downtown
Nashville mmm yeah just imagine Herbie
Hancock playing that community hahaha
that’s so epic to think about right yeah
right that’s cool dude yeah especially I
mean that’s weird to me too I’m like
still kind of intimidated by those like
I’ve definitely seen guys on tour with
not really huge ones but I mean there’s
guys that would literally you know
there’s a whole band playing instruments
and then there’s like there was this one
band we played with I forgive it they
were called there was one guy in the
band was literally just sitting there
patching cables like Walla dude was
playing the synth yeah pretty
wild-looking and I was like whoa there’s
some weird sounds coming out of that
thing yeah what that’s an appeal of it
you can really get sounds that nobody
else can get yeah yeah just turn a lot
of knobs yeah that’s essentially when I
was in school I had a roommate who was
from Italy and that’s what he was pretty
much there for is just kind of
manipulation of sound in real time and
that was his live show is you know kind
of going through the filters and
using this sawtooth and using and that’s
I mean that’s all he did on stage and
you know put a beat behind it and that’s
that’s what it was all about is
exploration of sound and and and having
fun with it
it’s kind of kind of an interesting way
to look at the live show right I was
gonna say wonder if there’s people like
crowd surfing there and like mosh pit
like yeah I mean it’s it’s kind of like
that electronic sounds that that’s very
popular over in the Europe oh yeah yeah
that’s pretty wild man yeah it was cool
you know you would think with the
electronic music being so popular these
days and like especially music that’s
danceable you would think that the bass
would get a bigger spotlight because
yeah I mean it drum and bass and have a
great you know great dance rhythm
section yeah but like Randy was saying
it’s kind of about that sub bass it’s
around like 30 Hertz to like 60 Hertz
and where you can kind of like feel it
where as I see bass says 80 do it
just a little bit higher yeah 82 you
know anything up to 250 that’s right at
higher rate yeah it’s and beyond because
you have obviously can go way up high on
the on the face but it’s it’s um and it
generally tend to see with with with sub
bass you don’t have a lot of quick lines
it’s it’s kind of whole note e half note
e kind of and sometimes the entire song
is just one note one note you know one
sub frequency and you may have it you
might have like a sub drop or something
like that but where is obviously the
bass you can have a lot of melodic lines
you move around a lot and it’s got its
got that higher frequency that kind of
occupied a little bit more so I where I
do see what you’re saying I just see I
see dance music get a little bit more in
right they did a lot of those like a low
octave pedal all the time yeah there you
we’ll see that’s a way around it I mean
five string bass octave pedals and seems
like you can still achieve that oh yeah
I mean I think I guess I also think
what’s the guy’s name the guy who did
the sound design for like Star Wars and
wall-e and stuff like that I forget his
legendary dude though and he talks about
how we have this category as part of our
brain where we have like just a special
slot for movie sounds and stuff like
when you punch someone that you have
that typical like you know
yeah end of town which is actually just
like them like cracking a piece of
celery or something yeah I feel like
we’ve started to develop that too for
music and like especially because
electronic music is so prominent every
genre you here has the electronic
aspects to it and like I mean every jam
band I hear the bass player very rarely
is just playing a bass with no effects
on it you know like if it’s dance ear
it’s definitely least like an OC to you
know or like something like that usually
I’ve seen ones that don’t even have a
bass player
it’s just a guy playing synth yeah but
because of that stuff people will start
to kind of get the idea that they hear
the bass sound and it’s not actually a
bass it’s just a synth you know does
that make sense yeah yeah I feel like so
they’ve started to kind of get a library
for what they believe to be a bass sound
and that’s what they want to hear though
because that’s kind of popular you know
it’s definitely more popular to hear a
synthesized bass versus a real one yeah
we’re making one on the computer or
whatever I’d love to see EDM with a
that’d be great I’ll get pretty tight
yeah I feel like there are bands that
definitely get into that arena there I
mean if i watch sts9
it’s got that like it feels like EDM
with a live band which is its I like
listening to I don’t wanna I likes it I
would like to see them live oh man have
you ever seen him I have not no they
just they’re so cool dude they just got
a chick bass player I forget her name
she’s ridiculously good she was playing
gospel before oddly enough – oh yeah
yeah and then this electronic game bands
like yo come do this medium stuff with
us they they sound really good
they you’re right like they do it they
have a really good feel for getting the
dance music with an electric bass yeah I
mean I think every real instruments
right the whole band yeah and then
sometimes they’re running samples while
they’re doing their stuff okay he’s got
I mean part of that comes cuz the
drummer’s got a real like hip hop kit
like it’s like he’s got the piccolo
snare and he’s got he gets that
electronic sound out of his drum kit –
right and he’s probably got I think he’s
got one of those like pad like trigger
pad thing right yeah right oh so he can
hit the yeah okay got it and now Randy’s
got it in now Joey you have to do it to
let us get into some of that too
necessarily as much like that but when
I’ve seen them live
late night they I mean they get really
I’m what do you call like trance hop and
it’s very yeah that was good work for it
yeah I’m gonna I’m gonna coin that if
anybody wants to use it no I’m kidding
but yeah let us let us definitely gets
to do it I think it’s a thing that’s
happening in the I mean even on my
Sirius XM radio jam chronica happens
certain nights of the week which is
their electronic jam band stuff right
I mean to like I think that the electric
bass actually plays a better role than
synthesizer just if you can because you
just get the expressive
more and like I forget which one of you
early were saying well like getting like
the slides you know or even just like a
muted note like yeah that kind of jakka
we do that kind of stuff like that like
it’s a lot harder to achieve for me at
least on the keys I mean I know keys
players that can do that no problem
yeah I just think it’s it’s a better fit
it just also looks way cooler to me ya
know when I go to a show I want to see
like a guy with a bass you know that’s
what I like I’m looking at what if I see
a guy actually would be pretty cool to
see a guy with like a keytar to dance
with a guitar like instrument on your
ear on you rather than be in second the
keys but so what what kind of bass do
you play so I have my go-to basis this
sweet ku delle five string it’s custom
made it was made in Japan and I actually
found it used on reverb and it’s it’s
five different kinds of woods so I’m not
even gonna try to list them all cuz I
don’t remember exactly what they all are
right but it has bartolini pickups 18
volt active preamp and it weighs seven
pounds so that was my favorite part
about the bass like as soon as I saw
seven pounds I was like ah this thing
looks amazing like I don’t even care
what it is I just wanted a light base
for tour and then I got it and it’s just
a tone monster it’s I mean I can make it
sound like Jaco I can make it sound
thick and warm like it’s just honestly
the best bass I’ve ever owned
and then my backup bass is a Brubaker
which is made here in Baltimore by a guy
named Kevin Brubaker mm-hmm and it’s a
five string two I typically go with five
strings just because I mean it’s kind of
a standard nowadays I feel like you know
a lot of times of having that low E flat
or that low D right even just a little
bit – it’s just nice to have it just
feels better to me yeah but those are my
to go to bases and then I have a fun one
home as a six-string ibanez a premium or
prestige I forget what it’s called but I
strictly used that one just to record it
with and honestly to like learn all my
base chords with cuz it’s a six string
so I’m trying to like you know learn a
bunch of thundercat lately look I love
that guy I don’t know if you got some
familiar with Thundercat I know the name
oh man check him out when you get a
chance he’s ridiculously good Grammy
award-winning like bassist and singer
he’s worked with people like Erykah Badu
actually funny enough too so when you
listen to his music you would not expect
this but he was also in suicidal
tendencies for a little bit oh yeah yeah
pretty wild because his music is like
it’s like soul like it’s beautiful like
neo-soul kind of stuff mmm
but he makes it funny so it’s like
imagine if tenacious d did like soul
music okay yeah it’s really pretty but
it’s hilarious like you have songs about
his cat which his name is Tron and like
just hilarious things like that so check
out Thundercat when you get a chance for
sure yeah yeah that’s awesome man yeah
so those are my vases did say you do you
recommend like so if somebody was
learning to play bass do you recommend
starting on a four string and then
moving up to a five string no I
recommend them starting on a nine string
and moving down yeah exactly start hard
just kidding we recommend a four just
because I mean I like to think about the
way people’s brains work that like don’t
know anything about it I mean when I was
approaching it like a four was just how
I thought of a bass and that’s how most
people think of bass you know like when
I look in yours in the background there
I’d see I knew instantly you know my
brain knows that’s a bass even if I
wasn’t a bass player so to me it’s I
recommend people start on four string
for sure do you do you think it’s when
you move to a five string from a four
string is there I mean getting a fat or
neck does that mess you up pretty bad
for a while
and on that I don’t know if that low B
string rings out if you’re not careful
yeah definitely does I mean I got in the
five-string pretty quickly because I saw
a bass that I wanted like a year or two
into playing and I was just like I don’t
care if I know how to do that like yeah
I need that by spring it was too
beautiful yeah and I kept noticing like
at the time you know it’s playing like a
lot of rock and roll so like we were
tuning down a drop D you know like the
teenagers love to do um and I just got
sick of tuning down and then tuning up
the next song and I was just like I just
want to get a five string it but I mean
it’ll mess you up pretty bad only
because it takes a little bit for your
hands to get used to but I mean like to
me you just have to be willing to suck
no matter what if you’re approaching and
playing music you know you guys know
what I’m talking about
yeah you go through that struggle to
play a G chord and then all of a sudden
you can like solo within a couple years
you know yeah it’s just practice thing
for sure and what what what’s your
what’s your rig look like my rig yeah oh
man so I heard real bass players don’t
use rigs so I have a yeah I always tell
people to they’re like what kind of
strings to use I’m like I don’t use
string I just wish my notes into this so
I use I got a 115 cabinet and ampeg and
I got a 410 and PEG cabinet and I’ve had
both of those since I was like 15 years
they’ve just been super reliable they
sound great and they’re not that heavy
and then for my amps I have a backup amp
is an ampeg Porter flex 500 and that
thing is cool it sounds like a bass amp
you know made by Aunt Peg super reliable
super easy to fix if something goes
wrong but my main one is one that I
never knew existed by a company called
quilter have you guys ever heard of them
no I have heard of quilty oh man check
out quilters stuff they’re so good so I
came across this thing on the internet
because my amp
I had an ampeg svt 3 which is like you
know the classic yeah vague sound right
and it was all tube and so cool I love
that it but I just got it fixed finally
actually but um right before tore that
thing fried on me guy was like about to
leave that day to go to Colorado and I
was like oh my god I can’t believe this
happened so when online really quick and
found this amp that was like the highest
recommended like lightweight amp and it
was made by a company called quilter and
it’s called the base block 800 and this
thing is probably about this big it’s
like 3 to 5 pounds if that and it’s so
powerful 800 watts
there’s 4 knobs on it they have little
graphics over the knobs so like for me I
like simple stuff right and this thing
is a powerhouse it’s so it can get so
loud and it just has the best tone that
matches my bass like no matter what bass
I plug in 2 I have fun in love with that
amp I honestly want to get another one
so that I can like a be 2 different
tones with it hinges have a full stage
of quilter madness yeah it would be
awesome and then i loved-ed low volumes
oh yeah yeah totally and I mean it has
like a little headphone input on it it’s
all it’s all the essentials it’s got
your game master volume and then it has
to what they call contour knobs yep
which is like it’s like your eq’s but
they have cool d the these cool little
graphics I wish I had it with me I’ll
show you guys but they have a cool
little graphics over top so like you
know because sometimes I have a brain
that overthinks a lot so if I look at an
amp with ten knobs I’m just like oh man
sometimes it’s intimidating I know what
all of them do but sometimes I’m like I
don’t want to read words right now I’m
on stage there’s lights flashing right
so when I look over that little guy and
there’s just two knobs I can mess with
you know that aren’t just volume and
gain I’m like okay this little picture
is right there and this is nice from my
simple mind because I just needed like
that and then moving forward so I I use
all Fender Custom Shop Kate
– I love those cool yeah the braided
kind cuz they just wrap nice and easy
yep you know we all know at the end of
the night that’s the tough part
wrapping cables and stuff your cables
man right and then I just got this
pretty sweet tone sob pedalboard with
like a case and stuff
it’s a fanciest thing I’ve ever had I
just built my own before um look like
dresser drawer handles on it and stuff
but uh it works it does I actually knew
a couple guys in in one of my old bands
well he knew a guy but he actually got
these old sewing like a sewing machine
case it looked like a little mini
suitcase oh yeah in rows it’s it makes
for a great pedal board oh yeah put in
there and it’s you put your power source
underneath it’s a little small for you
know it’s only like I’m gonna put a foot
in half maybe by right over a foot right
you can make some cool I’ve seen some
cool custom pedal boards for sure oh man
that’s a way better idea than what I
used but uh well yeah I just got this
nice fancy one looks like looks like an
old-school like 50s like Chevy car as
like a racing stripe on it
guys oh yeah and then uh so I got like
let’s see what a cord pitch-black tuner
which I love cuz they’re very easy to
read mmm I got an mxr compressor which
is pretty cool it’s very versatile I use
it mostly as a boost now right but when
I was doing you know a lot of between
like slapping and regular technique like
just on-the-fly that compressor came in
handy when you’re slapping it it really
helps kind of hone in the sound the
compressor does yeah and you know I
noticed that with the brubaker and other
bases like I don’t know if it’s just a
technique thing like I don’t like to try
and rely on the pedal you know but
essentially I’ve just been i’ve only
been learning slap for like the past
like two or three years like really
actually getting into it so i noticed
when i do it live you know the sometimes
the volume just isn’t there so people
say you know use the compressor
but with the coup della that base I was
telling you guys my main base yeah I
don’t even need it
like it’s because it’s got two batteries
it’s it’s 18 volts and I mean it that
thing Wow
yeah Wow okay cranks yeah not messing
honestly I didn’t even know that and I
like was playing around on it one day
and I don’t if you guys are familiar
with like active electronics but like
you know Janna has that stuff art out a
little yeah yep uh-huh and I was like oh
my god and I opened up the back and I
was like wow there’s two batteries in
here holy cow yeah that’s cool and then
I have a bunch of fun pedals like I got
a I got a uh was the sound blocks pro
envelope filter which has like bunch of
cool programmable stuff about it um I’m
mostly just uses for clackin yeah I’m
mostly disease but it actually so the
cool thing about mmm this one is they
they also make a distortion pedal and
they make this thing called hot hands
which is like this little magnet it’s
like this little cloth ring thing you
put on your finger and then it has a
magnet in it that allows you to like you
can essentially create like this dubstep
bass like kind of stuff really yeah it’s
really tight dude the company is called
source audio and they’re the only people
that have it I think they like patented
it and I believe the singer slash I
don’t know what you can’t like a sound
engineer like she created a lot of stuff
her name’s Imogen Heap she created this
a bodysuit that like she just can move
and it like creates pitches and there’s
the oh dude it’s so crazy guy look at
Imogen Heap one day she is like a genius
she’s helped develop like all these
crazy things in the synth since world
and stuff awesome
yeah but I believe she had something to
do with developing this little thing I
used to have one the only problem is the
ring is like you know really small so if
you lose it
guitar pick very well yes I just have
the envelope filter on my board and then
I have octave pedals for days like I
love the POG because if I take a bass
solo you know I’m it sounds really cool
it gives you that kind of reverb II
sound too and then but the the main one
I used like with broccoli Samurai for
share was toc2 was just the low octave
you can even go two octaves below with
that you just got to be nice and careful
make sure you have a system that can
handle it because if you don’t you’re
not gonna hear anything right right yeah
so that’s pretty much my rig alright for
right now yeah and use that on tour with
broccoli Samurai yes sir
and how long were you on the road with
those guys so I was on the road for
almost a year
Wow yeah and it’s kind of a crazy story
cuz my friend Mike actually he toured
with the band called mr. F and they did
12 days in Colorado together and
something happened with them and he
called me and it was like man you got
there’s an opportunity like you gotta
take coz I’ve been kind of looking for
an established band that and just needed
a bass player and I was like I just want
to go tour I want to try it out see if I
can yeah and I’ve been looking and
looking and then I just you know this
name popped up and I was like I’ve heard
broccoli Samurai like a pretty sure I’ve
seen them and I remembered two a year
prior I’d seen them in Baltimore and I
was like they were good but I really
wish that I was playing bass for them
the whole time I was watching them so
anyways yeah so we got together in
November last year and I auditioned and
then uh I got in and it was just weird
because these three dudes from Ohio
you know picked a dude from Maryland
right they even drove to where I was
teaching at the time at the Frederick
Rock School to audition me and then and
then I went to the show in Baltimore
that night huh we hung out hit it off
and then they were like yeah do we want
you full-time um so I played one date in
they kind of like just you know get used
to how it was because I had
no idea what I was getting into and to
be honest I didn’t even really know
these guys um yeah but we just hit it
off the musical chemistry was there and
then from there I had like a month to
learn all the rest of the material that
I didn’t play at the show right and we
wrote some new stuff like on the spot
that was just kind of we treated sort of
like a jazz band because uh my guitar
player and my drummer were actually jazz
musicians as well like they studied at
University of Akron and I’m not sure
about Bruce I think he was mostly
self-taught he was he was dope too but
then yeah we we hit it hard January 31st
was our second date but like our first
date of like tour and that was in
Colorado which I had never even been
there before right I mean I’m at I
imagine that whole experience of just
meeting new people and then jumping on
tour with them and playing shows is
intimidating and nerve-wracking and and
just wow I mean that talked about like
just jumping into the ether yeah man it
was it was like jumping into like I mean
I yeah ether or like a pool where you
didn’t know the bottom was ten inches
down or a high thousand feet right or if
you were gonna get sucked into a
wormhole honestly like yeah it was it
was pretty wild and it was definitely
intimidating yeah just not knowing them
you know and being like wow these guys
have been doing this forever and this is
my first time like you know I think the
drummer was the newest in comparison to
me but he had still been touring with
this band for two years right well at
the end of the day I just kept trying to
remind myself like dude you’ve been
playing music for like 16 years so like
even though you haven’t toured your main
part of your job is going to play music
so like you’ve got this and but I had
never played in front of crowds like
that getting a play with like especially
this one band
they’re called pigeons playing ping-pong
and they’re really blowing up right now
right yeah you know pigeons yeah so we
got to like open for them a bunch of
and that was huge shows like to me like
you know it was like 500 sometimes like
a thousand people and those guys sellout
every show so like us getting to open
was like holy crap it wasn’t like people
were waiting outside for pigeons either
they were coming in because you know
they they’re there for pigeons but they
that’s the cool thing I think about the
jam scene too is people are always they
were always so supportive like of
whether we were opening or if we had an
opening band you know they were there
the whole time supporting every act
that’s cool yeah you know sometimes you
get the people there like a screw the
opener like we’re just going for this
one you know one act and then we’re out
of there before they’re done right you
know which I understand too sometimes
mmm cuz you know sometimes you just want
to go to bed or whatever supportive man
it’s all about supporting the bands
that’s really is I mean if you’re in the
jam band music you’re in to hearing new
things and you want them to improvise
and go off the beaten path I mean I make
write you want to hear the other band
yeah I’m always searching for new new
good music yeah man I mean you’re
wearing an unfree shirt I would assume
so those guys are killer I got to open
for them once two at a Mountain Music
Festival oh man that was that was very
intense like you know I was like in the
middle of a bass solo and this one song
that we actually was a lotus song that
we used to cover called read the mind
and I always started it with like a bass
solo thing because my my guitar player
just was like throwing me this stuff
he’d be like yeah I take a solo take a
song I’m like damn I’m not used to this
you know like I got put in the center of
the stage with this band too
so that was pretty that was pretty cool
because you know that thing you guys
were bringing up earlier like is the
base the center it was so weird for me
cuz like I’ve always been down to just
chill in the back you know like
especially like learning jazz like I was
like tucked in the corner of like a
restaurant if we were playing or like
you know just sort of knowing my part
cuz the job of the bass player is you
know your foundation but yeah the
foundation and you’re the part that like
a lot of times isn’t seen you know I
think about the foundation
the weight like it’s the foundation of a
house yeah but nobody complements your
foundation of your house right I mean
you’re not digging up your dirt to be
like yeah check out how sweet my
foundation is we’re looking at your
walls and the pain and everything but
yeah then I got in this band and from
the first show I was like you know we’re
how do you guys setup or whatever and
they were like well this is how we used
to do it but like I guess after
practicing because I I get into it I
like dancing and you know jumping around
stuff like that and they they were kind
of like well we’re boring we’re putting
you in the middle not that they’re
boring but like my guitar player
literally said that to me and I was like
oh man are you are you for real like
based air gets be in the middle this is
crazy dude so from there on out that’s
how it was but anyways getting back to
this mountain music festival thing we’re
opening for Humphries yeah yeah it was
just that was a very intimidating moment
because I knew they were there I’d seen
the dudes unloading all their stuff from
there in their trailer or whatever right
and I remember being in the middle of a
bass solo mmm and like I kind of peeked
around like that and I saw like I forget
their names but definitely the bass
player and a couple of the people and
then dudes from like perpetual groove
we’re like well no oh man don’t choke
and back around and keep playing I was
like I cannot look at them right now
huge crowd over looking at musicians I
admire like while I’m playing any day
you know so I’m freeze to me it’s like
gotta be one of the tightest jam bands
like I mean I love I love fish
a lot but fish is more of an exploratory
experience I feel like an Dumfries does
do that in live shows but they have this
I think it’s because they’re like metal
background some of them but it’s so so
tight like synchronized licks and things
I really enjoy listening to them oh yeah
man I mean and to me he like that’s like
that’s a cool thing you bring up because
like to extremes you know that you
probably would see playing a festival
together you know look at them bill like
a headlining yeah like I’m personally
more of a numbers guy it just it’s like
I have more of a metal background you
know I have a beard yeah I mean I love
fish too
wait did you ask me a question I’m sorry
no I was just I was just not finish you
know talking about talking about how um
freezes you know how it really impresses
me to watch I’m freeze yeah they
impressed me too and I mean actually uh
I’ve saw them at the anthem with Marcus
King oh yeah
yeah that was a great show I also love
Marcus King he is so awesome he’s young
right and he’s probably like 22 or 23
right now yeah they have such a good
like soulful blues rock oh he’s like a
little mini Warren Haynes that’s how i
oh yeah i’m an important voice in the
yes to be 35 oh yeah dude and oh and
whatever amp he uses is just freakin
glory but Warren Haynes count took him
under his wing for sure that makes sense
yeah well i’m i was watching videos of
them yesterday just like oh man they
sound so good oh yeah i mean there’s
this one have you ever heard of jam in
the van yeah yeah they do one and they
play one of my favorite songs called
plant your corn early check that out do
you okay and it’s just funky and tight
almost everybody gets so low it’s a
great tune plant your corn early yeah
love it Oh Marcus King van mm-hmm yeah
another good one mmm that I like is Wolf
Pack oh yeah there’s their sick their
bass player is really fun too I mean I
love listening to him alone in but the
bass bling is he’s like the only guy who
doesn’t switch instruments right like
really good at bass yeah I mean that’s
sexually uh so for a long time me
personally like I’ve strived to sound
like Jaco
yeah and there it’s one that is just so
impossible to do because it’s Jocko but
I mean it you know you get to a point
where you sound like them but you’re
never gonna sound like that cuz you stop
you all right it’s exactly right but
definitely when Jo dark came out I was
just like oh my god a guy like like we
you know same exact style like
everywhere I’ve played not to brag but
like I love when people come up and
they’re like dude you sound just like
Joe dart you sound just like the guy
from Wolf Pack come one yes that’s what
I want cuz yeah super funky and yeah
super funky that’s been such a good
sound really yeah they I love it when
they bring in Antwon to sing Oh last
name it was like 16 12 and funky ducks
and uh there’s there’s a couple new what
they think they just released like a new
album or something like that but I don’t
remember they asked how much material
now it’s yeah when I looked them up at
first I was like oh how new is this band
but they already had like five albums
worth of stuff yeah yeah yeah what one
of the big things I really liked about
both peck is that they’re when I have a
bunch of friends around that maybe
aren’t is musically inclined I can put
on both pack and people are like this is
really cool like yeah yeah you lend to
the masses while being very interesting
like it’s appealing to me as a musician
as well whereas um freeze I you know if
I pick the right song I can I can get
non-musicians into it but Wolfpack it’s
like people like this is so so fun to
listen to you yeah yeah sure it’s just
mass appeal man like yeah yeah yeah I
don’t know if you guys know mm-hmm their
story either cuz I don’t remember all
the details right now but like how they
took over Spotify and stuff and they had
their like silent album and stuff like
that I did not hear anything
oh yeah me and um man names are just
escaping me it’s the morning but uh you
need coffee not water in your buzz
however whatever you gotta want to get
it but I think his name’s Jack Stratton
he’s the guy with the glasses Yossi he’s
always the one changing instruments like
less beard taller he’s usually playing
guitar or some part of the drums like
you guys know the song Dean town oh yeah
oh yeah that’s my favorite phrases those
guys when they’re playing it and Joe
just starts with it yeah yeah sings the
whole bass freeze the whole crowd is
like you’re by my dad might have a tub
there’s like like tens of thousands of
people singing a bassline that that it’s
epic like you you know young your job as
a bass player when you accomplish that
yep yeah thank you full effects like
crowd involvement when I was at locking
they they opened lock-in a couple years
lock-in festival in it’s clear
Charlottesville Virginia and Oran clean
they actually had the different sections
of the crowd sing the harmony haha they
were pretty successful it was they had
three a three-part harmony going when
you have 20,000 people who I mean
obviously not everybody was getting it
but it was good enough to be you could
hear the you could hear it
yeah cool I wanted to hear that from the
I’m sure variety from within the crowd
that would be hard to hear the harmonies
but on stage to actually be able to hear
all the different parts yeah be really
interesting yeah he like had each
section sing their part way he did like
three takes with each section he’s like
okay everybody ready to do it together
while the band was doing you know the
band just kept playing yeah
sick yeah full effect both effects worth
checking out
oh man a game-changer dude yeah

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