Welcome to Fret Buzz The Podcast. My name
is Joe McMurray and I’m Aaron Sefchick. And
today we have one of the maybe the best
guitarists I have seen in the whole
Hampton Roads region. Easily the best
guitarist I’ve seen the Hampton Roads
region
Mr. Jason Cale is a guitarist, producer,
songwriter, vocalist, I’ve had the
opportunity to see him perform and he
blew me away and I got to see him give a
kind of a seminar at the East Coast
guitar convention and I’m really
excited to have you Jason. Thanks I’m
excited to be here Joe and Aaron. Nice –
nice to be here. Yeah. Yes. So uh Jason you
have a band called the Jason Cale band
and this is a relatively new lineup of
guys right yes a couple used yeah yeah
this band and I and I also have BC and J
piece of duo with my wife we’ve been
doing that that’s you forever man you oh
my gosh I see you guys on the lineups
for different places I didn’t realize it
was you yep yep that’s us – okay this is
my wife and I’m an okay diversified bruh
yeah but yeah the Jason Caleb and it
actually started I guess seriously
in April 2017
and we just kind of started out as a we
were doing jazz like I was asked to play
jazz on Thursdays that this little
brewery man and we just do so we started
doing jazz and then I’ve always loved
blues and that kind of stuff so I I
would always integrate the blues and
jazz and fusion I enjoyed you know it’s
a week we started doing cool
arrangements of like Allan Holdsworth
like we play Fred
from Allan Holdsworth or a Tony Williams
project I guess you could say and uh I
started kind of just going back into my
originals and and we kind of were like
oh this is feeling pretty good and it
was just a little trio you know bass
drums and me on guitar and singing and I
just happened to go to an open mic
around town and I was just sitting in
with some guys and they really do you
have a band I’m like kinda and we were
asked to do this festival he just heard
me play and he was like man I like your
style and if you’ve got a band man I
want to want to book you for this fest
one I I was like okay cool so I I got my
you know the trio together and I wrote a
couple of new songs and I was like let’s
let’s just try it out and see what it
feels like if we actually found our
voice at that festival and I was like
this feels good and you know what I’m
just gonna yeah I’m gonna pursue this
little Jason kale band trio thing and
and it’s just kind of grown from that
that was in September of 2017 and and
then the current lineup I have of dudes
is Darnell Smith on bass Randy Hagan on
the drums he’s been playing with me for
years but Darnell Smith man once he came
into the picture as the basis that just
totally changed everything and
everything just kind of locked into
place I was like okay this is what my
thongs are supposed to sound like and
what is it about his playing that you
really like it’s his pocket
I and I’ve always enjoyed playing with
contemporary gospel musicians man I
don’t know to me it’s like this
contemporary gospel musicians they’re
some of the best and then if they can
read music on top of it that makes
monster musicians man and he does he
could sight read he can read anything
you can do jazz he could do everything
I just love playing with people that can
that make me step up my own game and
that’s that’s what they do man Randy and
for sure and then occasionally I’ll have
keyboard players play and sax players
and you know but that’s about core man
the trio
that’s my core we can go out and do a
show and just the trio and be happy
anything else on top of it is just icing
on a cake man that’s what I saw your
trio at froggies yeah yeah yeah I
haven’t seen you play with the keyboard
player the yeah I all use Ryan Moses and
sometimes Randall Lawson on the keys and
then the sax player I’ve been using is
Jeff Saunders and sometimes Dave Bay
tech as well fantastic musicians I’ve
been playing with for years I really
like I had a trio backup in the
Washington DC area and we eventually
added a keyboard player and I I mean I
love the trio and I love the three
people you can really communicate and
kind of yeah the song where you want
live but man when I got a keyboard
player I felt like I was floating on top
of this cloud of Harmony it really
changed everything for me I didn’t have
to do as much right as guitarists and I
really liked it yeah it’s a that is uh
that is something I I try to yeah I
don’t have to fill out quite as much
it’s uh when we’ve got a keyboard player
in there I just up in all honesty I just
really love being in a trio I do I love
being able to take it wherever I want to
go with a trio man and and that’s the
bottom line and and I and I want that
organic feel and I think the more people
you put in the mix the more you have to
kind of have this this organization
factor in mix you know and unless
everybody’s been playing together for a
you know a while and really they all
really know kind of how I operate and is
I I like when we play I enjoy making
like just on-the-fly calls
for instance like we’re we were playing
froggies last Saturday man it was packed
room and I just had this ideas like you
know what and we and we do we do
originals and well sometimes you know
able to do covers but it’s probably half
in half so we started playing uh I was
like alright let’s do let’s do Cissy
strut and then I was like I had two
ideas like you know what I well keep it
in this sissy strut kind of funk and
then I’ll sing some kind of wonderful
over it and that’s what you know and I
just called it on the fly and so like we
we were doing a sissy strut and there’s
like just stay on the one and and then I
started singing so kind of wonderful and
they followed me and we did one verse
one course is so come wonderful and I
was like alright stay on the what
alright well in for we’re going back to
sissy strut we’re gonna play the head
dude yeah so I kind of I enjoy being I
enjoy creating on the fly like that and
and and I think Donnell and Randy are
all enjoy too because we’re just smiling
and laughing and and just having a good
time creating something yeah
now have you ever tried to do that
before oh yeah so you have tried to sing
some kind of wonderful over uh over I
mean it what did you sing some kind of
wonderful in the same key anyway but
again yeah and I would sometimes it’s
not necessarily a song I I call up all
the time but you know it’s a good I
guess you could call it a fluff song
that all people will enjoy and then I
can stick it in between you know two
original songs and get people you know
dancing and something they can recognize
yeah so I I’d been doing it kind of in a
my own little funky kind of New Orleans
funk way and
and yeah but we had never combined them
and just having fun it’s awesome I’ve
found that I mean I I see it all the
time but any guest any performing guests
that we’ve had we all we all kind of
feel the need to like we all want to
play the stuff that makes us excited but
everyone has to play to the room and
give everyone some yeah some popular
music that they like it’s kind of part
of the part of the job description
because it’s not always the the Joe show
or the Jason show you got to make sure
your guests you know yeah here’s
something they want to hear and then
they’re more receptive to you your music
is what I’ve found yeah man I there’s
this fine there’s this fine line and
balance and I think all of us is that
especially those of us that are trying
to do original music you know it’s a
it’s a fine balance and you know I’ve
been playing live for a long time and I
feel like I know enough diverse material
to to kind of look at a room and figure
out what to play and and I think it’s
some it’s something that you’re
constantly trying to improve upon as I
seen and you know managing the setlist
and trying to make sure everything flows
to keep people’s attention but I know
it’s not that I’m still growing at you
know we’ll continue you hopefully get
better at it’s always changing and the
audience is always changing it’s like a
it’s like we’ll never find the perfect
answer no no no it’s it’s there are
something used like froggies in Virginia
Beach you know in if you ask the
audience all right y’all want original
or you want a cover they’re gonna yell
out original lat
tonight when I played the Vanguard I’m
there on Thursday yep very awesome
awesome yeah it was a packed house and
my friend Danny lupertazzi and his band
on the verge fantastic band they played
and they brought out a lot of people and
then we did our set and then we played
it a set together and like his set was
all covers and him my set was all my
originals and I’ll be honest I I
probably should have done more covers
but you know we kept people in there for
the most part but do you like yeah I
look back on it and I’m like man maybe I
should just throw in some more buns at
him but well we came back and we played
like three all and Brothers songs and
killed it and but it was probably the
most people I’ve ever seen at the
vanguard man for at least a show that
I’ve been at or other shows up at ended
there it was good good good crowd there
man sold some CDs sold some t-shirts
I was happy if for any listeners out
there the Vanguard is the old Hampton
armory in Hampton Virginia that they
converted into a brewery distillery
music venue it’s really cool I mean it
feels like you’re inside a historic
gymnasium
the acoustics can be a little a little
tough but they’ve got an amazing sounds
yeah I’m in there yeah I I love having a
sound guy dedicated cuz I read I rarely
get that and yeah there’s Jeremy you
deli yeah yeah fantastic man and I enjoy
working with Jeremy and he he just now
he’s full full on that’s what he’s doing
now he just told me that yesterday he’s
that’s his sole job now and that’s
really nice for him and I think it’s
good for the Vanguard team and
hopefully they can just keep keep making
the improvements they need to make to
make it as good a venue as I think you
can be man for sure yeah it’s a good
place if you’re ever in the region they
always have good music many days a week
yep Vanguard and Hampton so with your
your style I mean I’ve seen you play and
you’ve ripped Joe Bonamassa kind of
stuff Satriani but you also really get
it I’ve seen you use the diminished
scale a lot and I’ve seen you I mean you
play jazz like standard jazz as well how
did you get to where you are like your
sound well the I think it’s a you know
it’s a it’s it’s still a ever evolving
process when I when I first started out
on guitar and I fell in love with it I
was really in the metal man I was
Megadeth Pantera yeah I Metallica
probably wouldn’t have even started
playing guitar if it hadn’t have been
for Metallica Master of Puppets and so
happier in it yeah man oh God
but I heard that album I went home and I
picked up this you know when I picked up
an acoustic guitar my dad’s I was like
just trying to figure out anything but
sanitarium sanitarium but I and and so I
I started playing you know that kind of
stuff and all I had was an acoustic at
the time one of my dad’s acoustics and
but I was you know I was determined that
I was gonna learn how to play that stuff
and I was fortunate that when I was
wrong really young my mother insisted
that I take violin you know so I had the
the string and
the I knew what was you know what it was
like to play a stringed instrument and
so that helped immensely when I started
playing guitar so I was teaching myself
basically out of play
all the metal stuff through tablature
and whatnot and then I started taking
classical guitar because well that’s
what they offered at the college and so
and and that gave me another facet you
know a I guess style but it didn’t
happen until I was probably 22 and I was
up in Jackson Mississippi at a jazz club
and I just yeah man I got my butt handed
to me on a silver platter at a jazz club
man and I was like wha what is this and
and I just sat down and I started
writing the songs that were calling out
on a napkin and I changed my major at
school from music education
I changed the Jazz Studies because I
fell in love with it like I’m just
instantly and and through that I
realized oh man like I started
understanding like I had the you’re an
you’ll probably know this one too man
like the the Greg Hal Richie Kotzen
mm-hmm oh dude you know I had had that
and I was just like I didn’t understand
it I was just like what I was just like
this amazing he’s plain you know and I
but I didn’t understand what they were
doing you know and and but when I got
when I started taking the jazz thirties
classes and and then getting into more
jazz and then I could oh they’re playing
over this form and I started
understanding okay it’s a form that
they’re playing over and and that kind
of started my journey through jazz but
and then get in the Jazz helped me to
appreciate the Blues and then and then I
think going into I started getting into
Robin Ford and I love Robin and you know
and hearing him how he will put you into
these bebop lines in sometimes to a
really tasty blues solo and and then
then you start messing around with Jimmy
Haring and one of my favorite players
and and I and so I was just always
mystified by them and yeah it and then
you know Frank on Bali and so I pick up
these Franklin Bali improvisation books
and you know and and and I just and I
would surround myself with players that
would challenge me and you know I’m
still growing I’m just yeah sometimes I
still have these like last night at the
gig
I think I practiced too much because
sometimes we scramble our own brains you
know and I don’t feel like I was with my
I don’t feel like I was quite myself
because I was thinking about all these
things I’ve been like kind of tinkering
around you know like oh I can I’m gonna
do this melodic minor up you know minor
third and I’m gonna do this lick here
and and coming up with all these licks
and I think I just screwed myself yeah
do this whole tone lick here and yeah
this would be great yeah it sounds great
as I’m practicing then then they get to
a gig and I’m like oh my just learning
guitar yeah a lot of times I try not to
I’ll learn something and I don’t let it
come out live until it’s like that
instilled in me like I might have played
something in at the house like some
style for a month before I actually like
when it starts to come out naturally
without me having to think about it
right I know it’s time yeah yep yep and
for me I
I for me when it comes to yeah and I
totally it’s it’s a matter of light when
it comes out just instinctually and not
forced and but for me when I when I get
in his own plane wise like last night
like a our monitors weren’t great on
stage and that sucked
so the band that sounded like we were
all speaking different languages you
know it goes at a Italian restaurant
with an Italian and German and a French
dude and we were all trying to speak
however the audience they were all
saying that we sounded great later on
we all have had those gigs versus like
crappy crappy monitors on stage and no
you just don’t feel right on stage
whatsoever but um yeah I so I I was just
kind of that was messing with me the
fact that I was just kind of I just kind
of garbled my brains and like my
instincts up a little bit
I hate those nights like that it sounds
like you’ve got quite the interesting
upbringing in terms of starting on the
violin and then having that influence of
you know the metal in there and then go
into jazz and that’s that’s very cool in
terms of how its kind of morphed and
made you they missed a musician that you
are today having that like that blues
and it’s kind of got an aggressive sound
it’s got a little bit of jazz influence
in there yes very cool yeah I another
another guitar player man that I’m
heavily influenced by without doubt is
Eric gales mmm I love his plan I love
his style and you know and there’s that
gospel tinge to it gospel temporary
gospel that was my very first studio gig
in Mississippi
and they’d heard me playing guitar and
he was like dude have you ever heard of
Kurt Franklin I’m like no and and he
played me some Kart Franklin and he’s
and and like oh my god this is crazy
good so it kind of led me down this path
of enjoying you know consider a gospel
music and that was still to this day one
of the life-changing experience for me
the you know being a church like that
and with no music no nothing and the
people playing this awesome music came
to tell you what key it’s in you know
but they’re making incredibly complex
music complex chords and killing it and
so I was instantaneously put on it’s in
like this zone using my ear and I’m
using the jazz the at that time what
limited jazz knowledge I had you know
and then kind of going with my instincts
on the blues but you heard all these
elements and that’s what made me
appreciate contemporary gospel music and
so yeah with the stuff I’m writing right
now that’s kind of what I’m I’m trying
to blend you know definitely the blues
when it especially when it came to like
me in the band and the direction I
wanted to take my stuff in I’m like if
I’m gonna do this I wanna I wanted to
incorporate the things I have the most
fun playing and that’s funk blues you
know with and a twist on like some of
the choruses that I write and some of
the you know chord progressions are
right hopefully have a kind of a gospel
kind of twist to it you know and and so
that’s that’s kind of where I’m coming
from man and trying to utilize all those
tools I have in my back pocket so you do
play in military bands and you’ve been
at for 24 years do
you feel like that experience has even
if it I mean I’ve heard you say it’s not
necessarily like it’s not your favorite
style of music necessarily but do you
feel that as musician you have grown
from that oh yeah
so yeah man I so I’ve been doing the
military bands it’ll be 20 years man I
when I initially joined the military 18
I joined to be a combat engineer I had
no clue what that was all I saw was I
got a bonus to do that and I it would
help me pay for school and so I joined
my local National Guard unit and with
the bonus the only thing I was I didn’t
even ask what the heck it was I was just
like oh I could buy that guitar been
wanting it was a horrible idea
priorities man priorities horrible
horrible decision no it actually made me
a better person and it kind of it gave
me a little bit of discipline and some
self-confidence that I didn’t have him
myself man but when I went to the the
engineer school at Fort Leonard Wood
that’s what I realized was like okay
this is not for me this job is not for
me I need to go to school for music and
that’s and it helped to motivate me to
do so and then I did my time in the
guard and I found out about the army
band I auditioned I made the army band
and I was stationed at Fort Gordon
Georgia and then with the Continental
Army Band Fort Monroe Virginia and while
I was in the Army Band I auditioned I
made Air Force Band in 2004 so
transferred services went to the Air
Force Band and yeah the the whole time
I’ve been in the one of the the crucial
elements to me joining the military
bands were was because I wanted to play
I did
know what style I like better I love all
styles of music I really truly do and I
knew I had a lot to learn
musically and so I had great mentors in
the military bands that I’ve been in and
I always looked up to the really two who
I thought were the best players in the
unit that’s who I wanted to be friends
with and and those players you know they
helped kind of mentor me and challenge
me and put me in situations that I grew
from whether it be you know playing a
Chick Corea piece with a jazz band you
know and or leading you know numerous
different Rock ensembles or pop
ensembles all those gave me tools that
yes
I’m utilizing today on the outside when
I gig on the outside and and it also
left with left me with the mantra I’ve
always lived by and that’s music first
and I live for music and sometimes I
think the my only issue with the
military bands is you know well you have
a it’s quite a dichotomy there you got
you’re in the military and you’re an
artist that yeah it’s totally like
Hobson ends of the spectrum
yeah it’s white so you know as you as
you progress through the ranks you know
as you progress through the ranks in the
military bands the less music becomes a
part of you and you know and I’m I’ll be
retiring in May it you know yeah it’s it
the highest rank and then nope
but I’ve kept music first you know and
I’m happy to to say that and it’s been a
good gig you know it’s been a good year
but it’s time to move on do you so with
the military bands you did you have the
chance to perform anywhere like overseas
like in the Middle East for the troops
or anything like that yeah yeah I’ve
done some really cool things man yeah
I’ve done numerous tours throughout the
Middle East for the troops but fact I
you know getting back to this whole
military band thing one of my friends is
Jack Sizemore and he plays guitar for
Jason Aldean I met jack on a USO tour I
was backing up oh gosh uh John popper
Blues Traveler yeah and and he was
backing up Jamie O’Neill and we were
doing this run through all the bases in
the Middle East for all the troops and
and he and I became really good friends
and so the last show was always in at
Ramstein Air Base in Germany where I was
stationed so it was cool like hang out
Jack and took him to a German restaurant
got some German beer and came back to my
house and we picked around played guitar
you know and and and took him to my
studio and he’s just like dude you got
that Paul Reed Smith hollow-body – over
there and gives a love as guitars
oh man that’s really cool you know and
he’s like and every anyway he was just I
was telling him how envious I was you
know like man you get to live in
Nashville to worry you know doing
songwriting that’s just awesome man
he’s like well I’m envious of you
because man is about to go back in time
I would be doing you know exactly what
you’re doing in the military you know
you’re getting a steady paycheck with
medical benefits get out of here man you
know and he goes that Paul Reed Smith
you guys I had one and I had to sell it
pay my rent Nashville for three months
you know so it kind of helped put things
in perspective cuz because sometimes ya
you miss out on opportunities that that
you know you just can’t or you might
book a big show and you know you have to
cancel it you know or you might get
asked to go on a tour like and and you
can’t because well the military and so
there’s those opportunities that are you
know arise as players as we go you know
through our lives you know that you
would jump on havin I’ve been in the
military you know there’s there’s come
and go and and sometimes that connection
is lost so that’s that’s been the
downside of it but the upside has just
been constantly being able to play as
much as possible throughout my years man
and you’re paid essentially to be there
at nine o’clock in the morning and to
get up practice and reverse and do a
little exercise right it’s in it it’s a
pretty good deal for a musician – yeah
I’m home – yeah your family at night and
be able to you know you can feel that
one but you got paid to play all day
yeah essentially man that’s that’s
that’s the deal and I mean in a nutshell
I mean there’s a lot more than that you
know you’ve got to do all the military
training you’ve got to go through all
that you know and and and like
especially you know speak on behalf of
my army brethren and sisters the sisters
light dude when when 9/11 hit yeah there
were no music instruments in our hand
and we were you know at an m60 you know
or you know garden agate or something
you know all that stuff goes out the
window and that’s one of the reasons why
I switched over to the Air Force but you
know a lot of my army band
bandmates you know they’ve been deployed
for a year and they don’t see an
instrument you know their garden helping
support you know the the security you
know on base but I know that I know that
you had asked you know travelling
through out the Middle East and I’m
sorry I kind of want to change there but
I’ll tell you like a cool thing I got to
experience in Germany man like I was
there
spent total of six years in Germany in
Europe and travelled through all
throughout Europe and some of Africa to
me that’s been the most rewarding time
in my military career and yeah and
especially towards the latter part of my
time in Germany we started doing these
African partnership flights and where we
would go with a team of dudes and we’d
go into Ghana or Uganda and Senegal and
work with the embassies and go out and
play music out in these communities and
to strengthen you know it’s it’s in the
military you’re under public affairs and
so you’re you’re there to help
strengthen relationships and countries
uh you know and to me it felt good to be
doing that on behalf of the country you
know regardless of politics or anything
through music you know you’re there and
you’re putting smiles on people’s faces
and you’re and you get to really show
represent America and be a rep a true
representative of America through music
uh and and not everybody’s but that’s
awesome yeah I always say it you know
music is a universal language and it
doesn’t matter where what corner of the
earth here you’re from we all can
connect on this yeah around music and
it’s yeah it’s definitely that
connecting point that
brings us all together as humans it’s
great yeah I was in yeah I can’t tell
you man like I was in one of the best
times I had was in Africa and Senegal
and getting to play there was like this
little jazz quartet and they were doing
jazz standards and like there was a
traditional you know electric bass and
then the guitar player though was using
like this traditional I forgot what they
called it but he was using one of their
traditional kind of guitar things and it
was just insane and we got to
collaborate with them and then the yeah
that could and and language yeah
there was no no language barrier we were
just like they let’s play take five okay
take five and we do it in a kind of
fusion way and and and with traditional
you know Senegalese drums and it was
just so cool man yeah musics fun man and
and that that’s why I live for it you
know it’d be cool to hear a a jazz album
that was made with I mean I know like
what’s the banjo players name what bela
Fleck yeah plays with Victor Wooten like
he does some jazz on banjo which is
really cool but it would be really cool
to hear somebody do an album and maybe
it’s out there he’s using unusual
instrumentation to play jazz standards
like that yeah bill flick actually did a
whole album in Africa with drums and
it’s a really cool document I think it’s
on Netflix or something mm-hmm
and it’s insane man it’s it’s so cool
and they record everything live him
playing with different people and
there’s actually a tribe that he goes
and plays with somewhere in Africa and
they do this traditional marimba that
was built they build it like you’d have
to see it but it’s insane he talking
about Aaron yeah yeah
yeah I’ll have to check that out I I
really do like bela Fleck and I mean
Victor Wooten’s really awesome to hear
yeah well and then another another like
really cool thing if you you’re not
familiar and I’m blessed because he
passed away a few years ago was there’s
this Senegalese drummer he’s the
Godfather of I guess you know I guess
Godfather percussion and doo doo doo da
Heroes is his name and he he’s he lives
right there in Dakar Senegal you tube
him and it’s in da ye rose and his and
it’s I think it’s do you do you nadaya
Rose
and anyway this guy is insane and he
does these big orchestrated drum it’s
like you know how you have these hippy
drum circles mm-hmm it’s like that but
really good I love the hippy drum circle
[Laughter]
no I’d love to see that man uh the the
the person I was working with at the
Embassy there she was we were talking
about him and she was she she she’s like
uh you know you know dude that resum you
know we were all like yeah
as she she’s like she called him up he
invited us to his apartment in this
building and there’s just and there were
all these and there was a this drum
convention going on in his own in his
like behalf that’s like this annual
thing and there were people from all
over the United States all over the
world they’re up on top of this building
with him in the center with his drum and
they put on a small show for the five of
us that were there
and it blew my mind and you see this
yeah I think at that time he was
probably 80 or something and oh my god
yeah
when y’all check it out you’re gonna see
him and you’re gonna hear this stuff and
it is just super tight
yeah people in colleges and universities
study his his drumming yeah but that
that was probably one of the more epic
piece of court experiences that I could
think of and I still get chills talking
about it let’s go yeah you can see you
can see the enthusiasm coming off of you
okay let’s talk about that it was a
really powerful experience it’s nice
whenever you have that they don’t come
very often but every once in a while you
do have that musical experience where
you’re just like you feel like a
different person at like you’ll never be
the same
knowing that that exists and again
anything that ya know sometimes only
every few years every yep that it that
it happens yeah that’s true man
that’s very true that’s that’s
definitely one of the more special
amendments that I’ll always remember
the rest of my life I really I really do
like drum circles they I feel like they
get the chance for non musicians to come
people who aren’t necessarily like us
that you know devote their lives to it
people to come together and and connect
over music and although it may not be
something that anybody would want to
make a CD of and sell it like it’s just
I think it’s a positive thing for
society to have people coming together
to play hand percussion yeah man I agree
it’s a good hippy minded thinking yeah I
love it no I agree man it gives people
non-musical people an outlet as long as
I can’t hear it I’m happy so it’s the
speaking of monumentous experiences and
things like that I did notice that you
played
Conan Osia Conan O’Brien
yep yeah that was that was on a
deployment in 2015 okay
and Conan took his show you brought
Grace Potter
Jimmy Vivino Wow a couple of comedians
Michelle Obama
I remember – Al Udeid Air Base and Qatar
where I was stationed and and yeah we
did a live show with him well in fact
that show actually reared they reared it
like a couple weeks ago I was like came
home late from a gig and I turn on TV
you know like holy crap yeah awesome
that’s very that’s very cool what a good
experience that was a good experience
man that was a lot of fun and Jimmy
Bovina is super cool um he and I still
talk from time to time and he’s
definitely somebody you know in the you
know that you can call a friend really
good guy now do you ever intend to use
some of these connections to potentially
reach out for your with your band to try
to potentially do something once you
retire from the military
I mean you’ve you’ve played with John
popper and you’ve played with at Conan
O’Brien so you’ve played with some big
names do you think maybe in the future
you could you know reach back out to
them and say like hey I got this new
band we’re trying to actually do
something big man for me like I lived
out in California for a while and I try
not to in all seriousness when it comes
to friendships connections mana I really
want it to be a pure friendship and not
like some friendship out of because it’s
a good connection write a business deal
right man and an out in California
that’s what it felt like the whole time
I was there like you couldn’t trust
anybody everybody’s got another their
Trott
they’re playing another angle on you and
and it’s all about what what can you do
for me you know in this like
subconscious back here and I got caught
a little bit like dark because of that
and and so like yeah man I I don’t feel
comfortable necessarily asking you no
favors of people that I’ve met in the
past or played with in the past you know
like that you know I I just don’t and
for me it’s just it’s nice to be able to
have a friendship you know Jimmy knows
what I’m doing you know I have another
good friend oz Fox guitarist or striper
you know he’d I did something together
for the troops in Germany – he’s super I
love oz oz oz is the coolest man and and
but you know I yeah they all know what
I’m doing and and I think I think I’m at
a point where I think I just have to
kind of do it my own way man and and and
those people that know me I think it’ll
just it I think it’s gonna be something
working I don’t want to force it I don’t
want to have to use connections in a way
where they feel like I’m just using them
you know that’s what I’ve worried about
I I love what you’re saying I just want
to be clear my drum circles is a very
hippie mentality this is Q where you
share the hippie mentality
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