Brian Wampler is the founder and CEO of Wampler Pedals. Brian joins Aaron Sefchick, Joe McMurray, and Miles Harshman to discuss the world’s largest pedalboard, his favorite guitar effects pedals, how he spends his work-days and approaches design, and guitar amplifiers.
Recently, Brian participated in breaking the Guinness World Record for the largest guitar pedalboard (with Rob Scallon and several other effects pedals companies). He tells the guys about his experience and about meeting Alex Lifeson (the guitarist of Rush).
Brian tells the guys about his favorite pedals from Wampler Pedals. The guys want to know how he spends his workdays: from breadboarding to building plug-ins to creating content for social media.
Brian gives insight into the guitar amps that he uses to test his effects pedals during the design stage. The guys also talk about the merits of running a pedal through a clean amp vs. a naturally dirty/overdriven amp. They also talk about the virtues of amp simulators. Brian tells the guys about his own Wampler Bravado amplifier.
Welcome back to another episode of Fret Buzz The Podcast. Hi my name is AaronSefchick. I’m Joe McMurray. I’m Miles Harshman. And today it gives me greatpleasure to bring on the show Mr. Brian Wampler. Hello sir! how are you? Good how areyou guys? Great, we’re excited to have you. If you don’t know who Brian is, he’s the CEO ofWampler pedals, he’s got two books out How to Modify Your Guitar Pedals andSecrets of Huge Guitar Tone. Is that still out? The second one? Yeah, if it is, I didn’t even know. What’sthat has uh…it’s on the internet. I think. That’s probably the modification but yeah Idefinitely have that one. Yeah that’s still on Amazon I think. I think the otherone, that was like, The Secrets of Guitar Tone or whatever, that was like 2002.I would not recommend anyone read that or buy that. Like ever. Understandably. It’s pretty bad.Yeah things have changed just a little bit. There are no secrets. That’s how I feel aboutmy old recording through 18 years ago it’s exactly like listening to your oldrecordings you know when you first started playing guitar you’re like oh mygod what was I thinking yeah it was terrible he also has a YouTube channelwhere he does pedal demos tips and how to’s a bunch of stuff on effects andguitars and amps and a whole lot more he also has a podcast chasing tone podcastwith Blake Weiland who we’ve also had on fret buzz the podcast episode 49 andrecently not too long ago he got together with a couple of guys RobertKeeley Josh Scott Ryan dick dick and they got together and did the biggestthe world’s largest pedal board for GuinnessBook of World Records Rob Scallon headed that all up with a total of 319 pedalswhich is pretty impressive yeah it was crazy it’s loud and obnoxious andunusable completely but there’s a lot of Pentacles yeah yeah yeah so yeah by allmeans thanks for coming on the show Brian it’s a it’s wonderful to have youyeah thanks having me yeah yeah that Guinness Book of World Records thingthat’s that was pretty impressive how did you how did you kind of I mean whotagged you first how did you first hear about that and really I’m kind ofwondering like okay of the vast pedals that you have in your array how do youkind of go yeah I’m gonna take cuz you guys each took about 20 or so pedals tothis I sent one of everything we have okay Wow so so basically sweet sweetwater really kind of well with Rob kind of really worked out all the detailsyeah they contacted their vendors andbasically said you know here’s what we’re doing if you want to donate anypedals for this then here’s the address to send it to and so I was talking tothem like you know what this is actually a pretty good opportunity for like youknow video and audio and stuff so what why don’t I I’ll do it but how about Icome there because Sweetwater’s fairly close to me so why don’t I come thereand you know I’ll be part of the video and if there’s any tech problems I canwork on it or whatever and so Natalie who’s kinda like I think she’s like thehead of their marketing department she said oh that’s a good idea I can getmaybe I can get some more manufacturers on board and we can do a much biggervideo than what we had planned and so that’s what they did it really juststarted from you know send some pedals if you want them on the board to comeout and be a part of it and let’s let’s break some things so is Rob Scallon Robis a you fairly big youtuber yeah he’s got an 1.5 million subs or somethinglike that yeah but he he does a lot of it’s not necessarily like gear reviewsit’s mostly like all kinds of fun yeah guitar bass was still pretty funny stuffyeah he does some interesting stuff like yeah hoarding on on wax records and allkinds of crazy like he’s just out there and he has a whole lot of fun yeah yes Ijust watched one where he went through some Chicago Church and looked at theirentire organ installed through the entire church was very interesting huhvery interesting that’s wild I haven’t seen that one bit mmm that’s well yeahI’d love to play one of those church organs I think that’d be so funwell you have even had an old one the kind of you pump with everything that’sa choo-choo train remember doing that when you’re kid on the two bones yesI’ll do thatyeah I’ve done that a couple times on 66that brings back good memories yes he’ll know if you saw but Alex Lifeson fromRussia yeah oh yes I said that was yeah thatwas pretty well that was totally unannounced yeah it was completely offthe cuff yeah it was all of a sudden like you guys were all kind of doingyour thing and then all of a sudden II I heard like whispers of like it’s funnyhe was at my hotel that I was staying and so you know I’m just eating dinner Igot in late and eating dinner and little B holding like holy crap that’s AlexLifeson checking in he came by and I introduced myself and everything heatedup sitting down and had a beer and just you know just talks for awhile which ispretty cool I was sitting there thinking like I wonder if he knows like how bigof an influence he is on me okay but and apparently he was in town to do aseparate thing for Sweetwater okay and yeah I don’t I don’t know like thelogistics of how it happened but yeah he basically just popped in and said let metry it yeah that was quite a scene to see Alexlicense with an eight-string not generally what he would play days Idon’t think ya know a head is 335 mostly didn’t he I think so a long time mm-hmmyeah I didn’t know they drank that much I thought they were like the type ofguys that would like go on to her and like sitting there room and read that’spretty much what they said I thought that’s what they said in the documentaryis oh maybe that was just more Niel and he was pretty much the one it was justlike yeah I go back to the bedroom and just kind of nerd out I think all ofthem did there so it sounded like yeah yeah well you got to have a beer withhim that’s awesome it’s um it’s always fun to meet your heroes it’s even coolto like sit down and in like a real you know just like a different aptness yournormal atmosphere and just just talk about everything that’s not guitarrelated so as odd as that sounds because no you know it’s like a realconversation with another person versus three minutes you know in a meet andgreet lines yeah yeah people that we look up to and they you know I’m likegoing to Guitar Center to play wampler pedals so I can prepare myself mentallyfor this and then all of a sudden you’re in front of meit’s underwhelming I understand love it I love good I love getting to talk topeople and ask the questions that I’m bitter driving me nuts I want you togive us all the secrets of great tone today all the secrets it all starts witha guitar trick and more Mel Bay less eBay you know oddly enough in sellingguitar pedals that’s not very popular to say but is the truth that’s the way tosound better practice a lot yeah it’s true it’s true it really is you knowtone is so subjective and you got all these guys or like chasing tone and it’sit’s amazing because you know after all these years of doing this for so longit’s it’s like okay what really is tone and the tone that I hear is not gonna bethe same tone that you hear and how do we achieve that could be you knowachieved by many different ways yeah I mean it’s you can take the exact I meanyou know I’m sure you guys have talked about it before you take the exact sameset up and two different people play it and they can sound drastically differentI really depending on how good the player is he one player can take thesame setup and sound drastically different just by changing his playingstyle and know how he’s playing yeah it phrasing and everything else that goesalong with it’s not related electronics at all yeah you know some there’sthere’s so much that goes into it outside of what capacitors did you useor what happens did you use yeah that’s that’s really such a oh yeah that’s justsmall pieces of puzzle when it comes down to it I mean to me like pedalpedals are a lot like seasoning you know yeah we’re I mean you know you don’talways want a tube screamer or claun but you may in certain situations you knowthe same thing with you know that newest like the chase the chase bliss blooperand that’s that’s really cool for some stuff probably really bad if you’regonna play lead lynyrd skynyrd covers all night it’s um it’s a looper thatdoes all kinds of crazy stuff so you can change the pitch slow it down make makethe loops themselves sound completely different so you it’s really like thatpedal is almost like playing you’re literally playing almost a differentinstrument you’re playing guitar but what comes out is so much different thanwhat you would normally get from just a regular looper which is normally justbasically like playing the same sound over and over to me that’s kind of whenpedals start to become the instruments themselves it’s yeah chases chase blissstuff is a lot like that I find it it’s almost like aninstrument in itself which is you know like I said that’s that’s great for somestuff but you know other times you just need meat and potatoes yeah good oldhole notes right but sometimes it is having a drive pedal of some sort iskind of like my one thing I can’t that in some sort of reverb like I agree thatit’s mostly the player but there’s some things that make it drastically sounddrastically better it’s just easier to play your instrument oh absolutely yesstained and yeah for sure I mean that’s I mean you’re definitely gonna need whatI guess what I would call home based stuff you know overdrive distortion atuner delay reverb maybe some modulation if you need something like that yeah butthen you have other bits and pieces that you know may may not necessarily be astandard like a fuzz pedal but it is something that provides a piece of apuzzle that you may not get anywhere else you know so and to me that’s kindalike what she had that chase bliss stuff it fits like a little niche that you’renot gonna find whenever you pick up a tube screameryou know yeah we’re a to streamers much more I say tube screamer generically Imean like overdrive but so words it’s something that you’re gonna use 90% thetime miles your fuzz guy you know that your fuzz is time I’ve got too manypuzzles at work or maybe not enough I guess I have never heard well I meanit’s what your wallet says to you sometimes when you’re like maybe that’stoo much we do will you do a lot of mods and DIY type stuff right you just don’tbuild yourself so yeah I wanna kind of keep poking at it’s just cuz you knowtweaking is fun mm-hmm like that that book was it being all the mods I wentthrough that one quite a bit and like tube screamer tried all those mods Iguess you have an op-amp big muff right now you don’t find too many mods forthat so no I mean I I keep promising everyone I’m gonna update that because Ithink that book was written like two thousand five or six or something likethat it’s it’s kind of its kind of old in comparison to well one I know morethan I did then yeah and two like I’ve had another 12years yeah a bunch of years fourteen years I guess now your knowledge hasprobably come a long way since then yeah and I look at circuits completelydifferent now you know like I can look at after you stare at them every day allday that you can start noticing patterns and you can take it’s weird because youcan kind of look at a schematic and almost hear what its gonna sound likeit’s so weird so it’s like reading schematics to me in my head I’m hearingwhat’s happening at that output but you know it’s just a bunch of squiggly linesand squares triangles yeah foreign language to everybody else right look atyou like why are you staring at that why would you do that to yourselfwas it math hard enough in high school and you’re gonna do that it’s funny youknow some people like doodle squiggly lines when it when I’m doodling like I’mon a phone call or something that’s incredibly boring I’ll just drawschematics you have a go-to circuit you draw out you just like draw a boostevery no no it’s really I mean it’s always a jirt of some sort it’s always adriver you know a distortion or fuzz probably just because that’s where myhead always goes to first and I’m not really like thinking like would be agreat circuit I’m just putting stuff togetheryou know like playing in the sand sort of not really doing much but justdrawing things you know and vacuous so I was on that phone call the other day andit was quite boring like that I wasn’t talking much so rightjust wasn’t a lot going on I was just sitting in line and by the time I gotdone I I was looking at it and thinking this actually might sound pretty coolexactly Morden let’s see and what I would call that but it would be funny ifthat actually did become a product two hours of boredomyeah out of all your pedals that you’ve you’ve designed what are a couple yourfavorite like you personally your personal tastes and that you think thatschematically I’ve have you did a really good job with you know I mean it’s it’sodd in a situation on man it’s a lot like it’s a lot like asking you knowAerosmith what’s your favorite song that you guys play every night I mean I meanI like him I do for sure like him but I’ve played him so much it’s almost funor for me to play somebody else’s stuff yeah not all the time but just becauseit’s it’s a change right mm-hmm I think from our stuff like I like I like thepinnacle circuitry the Plex drive circuitry I like probably the funnestthings that I work on are the newer stuff just because it is new to me youknow I mean the terraform is gonna be really cool which is a multi modulationthing yeah yeah we’re doing some more stuff that delays and reverbs it’s aproject that’s really cool they’re like you’re Ariel no it’s this will be it’snot out yet so because this is just a big a big project that you don’t knowabout right okay and so that’ll be a fun project and okay I’ve been working on afuzz pedal that’s really it’s a lot of fun silly confess looking for a spacebut um what else for my I mean gosh it’s likeif when I go out to play if I’m using my own stuff I always throw an egocompressor on there and I just mix in just a little bit of compression cuz I’mrunning so loud usually I usually I kind of go back and forth between the Tumnusthe pride of the plexi drive or the pentacle depending depending what youknow what to get calls for and then I probably easily throw an ethereal onthere unless it’s going to be unless the songs are like really delay intensiveyou know meaning like it really requires accuracy and a specific kind of delaysound sometimes I may run the photo tape echo in that instance with the etherealbut yeah I mean like even like you would think that going out for gigs I wouldhave this big pedal board more than anything I take a lot of stuff with meand I switch out in between sets and that’s like seasoning yeah it’s likethat’s the time that I get to try all the prototypes that I’m working on youknow and see see what they sound like with a band or something but yeah I meanit’s it’s we I get that question a lot like which one’s your favorite and it’sI feel like they’re gonna favor child yeah yeah the way it’s like if you’reyou think of a good analogy here you have you just don’t want to tell peopleif you’re skid-row and people say don’t you love that song 18 and 5 you knowyou’re thinking no I’ve been playing that song for 30 years I hate that songbut it makes the box yeah yeah I mean but I mean you know the truth is justit’s really this like playing my own stuff every day I like it it’s just it’shard to really say which one’s my favorite I think my favorite is alwayslike the thing I’m working on right now because it’s it’s new it’s fresh and Iyou know it’s it’s what I’m most excited about I have two questionsoh sure second one in a second how much of your day is consumed by breadboarding um not nearly as much that like alrighta lot mean a lot of times it’s well let me answer your question probablydepending on what’s going on maybe on average three or four days a month maybeokay so if I had to guess it probably about actually sitting down with ananalog breadboard a lot of what I do honestly revolves around sitting infront of a DAW and running different plugins okay so we act so because weactually make plugins as well internally not to the world yet but yeah yeah yeahwell I mean it’s I mean I you know we’ll never compete with waves or somethinglike that yeah but we do make plugins internally to kind of figure out what wewant to do on future pedals yeah so for example we may make well like okay sowe’re working on a delay I think I have probably 25 or 30 different just delayplugins that sound different and are doing something different and that’sjust an attempt to narrow down what we want this delay pedal to sound like okayif that makes sense so show me it’s so let’s think so I’ll put that and plug inmy DAW and then I’ll run my stuff I use the Focusrite Saffire and I’ll run thatto my amp so I’ll basically use that the computer kind of as a very kind ofglorified pedal in itself yeah ramp when ramping not reallyreacting I’m literally playing through it in real time okay but I’m just usingthe plugin is doing the heavy lifting so to speak of of the effect and then I’llrun that to the amp and that that’ll allow me to kind of tweak differentthings and you know maybe maybe I want to do something different with EQ on theon the echos so I can you know run parallel paths and just affect just thedelay circuit right but I also have a couple engineers worth if it needsbe something drastically different than they’ll recode it and send it to me andthen I’ll check that version so I forget your is no question actually the wholebread boarding in it okay yeah yeah in terms of like sitting down and andcreating tones and because I would I mean you’ve been doing this for a longtime yeah and that’s like that’s the cream of your crop that’s that’s that’syour passion right there is sitting down with you know a couple circuits andgoing to town yeah the thing is I mean so bread breadboard obviously would bemore of an analog thing right so there’s different bits and pieces that requireuse of a plugin versus analog obviously so if you’re making an analog delayyou’re gonna build it on a breadboard right but if you’re doing somethingcompletely in a digital realm then it’s pretty much gonna be on a dollenvironment for us or at least in designing it right with like DSP and ornot yes yeah I’d be strictly a digital digital product it’s just much easier todo it that way so I mean so that wouldn’t really call that bread boardingbut that’s still circuit design right you know that that place that’s a bigpart of my time and then you know make making videos and trying to createcontent that’s probably 50% of my time it’s just it just takes so much timethis day and age I feel like they may need for anyone who creates content toconstantly create overwhelming oh it’s yes and that’s constant it’s every weekas soon as it’s like as soon as you get one project done then just start on theend I need content yeah I mean you knowinformation in events really are they last about two weeks you know I’m like Imean for example you might remember a month ago whenever there was a videoreleased of was it like a backhoe or something right over running over abunch of Finn Gibson guitars oh the Gibson’s all this future yeah thanksyeah that seems like ages ago you know it literally was like 30 daysago right for the play authentic thing right right the play off anything whatwas that four months ago yeah and to comment on that video would feel likeall right no one’s talking about this anymore like why are you commentingthat’s exactly right and so as since that’s the way information feels it’svery very much a throwaway information yeah and you know we caught brandscompanies constantly have to put out new stuff week after week after week afterweek so which is why we had the podcast and the video channel and facebook videoand Instagram video and and here shortly we’re actually getting ready to dividethose so the videos that you see on Instagram will be different than thevideos you see on Facebook which will be different than the videos you see onYouTube oh wow so basically I’ve just decided to stop sleeping at this pointyeah right it almost feels like Truman Show remember that movie eh yeah it’slike turn would show except it’s a lot more fun to you know play with guitarpedals and stick in front of it I will say your your YouTube channel is quiteimpressive you guys have tons of really good information I mean it’s really andnot to mention also your blog very cool lots of good stuff there no thank you Imean there’s there’s a team behind me that really helped with it I meanthere’s a you know guy named Jason Wilding who actually writes most theblog Jason and I was clay yeah that was my second question was about your teamand you obviously have a team behind you and they help you out quite tremendouslyand you got owe a lot to the people that are behind you and helped run the wholeoperation that’s great yeah yeah I mean and they’ve been working with me for solong like they they kind of they know like how I would say something or whatmy thoughts would be on a lot of different things yeah so you know i I’vekind of give them given them the leeway over time – all right here’s theFacebook you know here’s the Facebook page put out cool stuff you know youknow and every now and then something happened and I’ll say that’s not what Iwould say at all don’t do thatbut but for the most part you know when it comes to ideas about tones andthoughts on the guitar industry in general it helps to have a team of guyswho who have like minds to really back it up you know yeah so and it’s to do itmyself would be pretty much impossible no there’s no way I could write there’sjust too much going on yeah we need you making guitar pedals that’s what Irather be doing the world needs you making your pedals more than everythingelse yeah and through all of my you know are you kind of saying you know that’snot that’s not how I would say it it kind of brings up mm-hmm over the pastcouple of days I’ve been kind of thinking going through the interwebs andchecking you out and whatnot like that and I definitely see this common threadfrom the very beginning all the way till now where you are it seems to me Brianthat you are very customer oriented I know you say that a lot and we’ve I’veheard you through chasing tone and whatnot like that and there’s a lot ofpeople who like you’ve said in multiple articles where you know from thebeginning there are these dealers or manufacturers who have this goodintention but as they gain a notoriety there is something that falters but yousdefinitely to me seem to be consistent through all that where you care aboutthe customers you always have even all the way back tothe forums where you’re just you know helping them out spending many hourswriting emails to people and and that continues today where you’re just allabout making sure that your customers and the people that you service arehappy and that that’s that’s awesome to go on forms is brave I still do you knowvisit a secure page and telecaster discussion page and a few ofthem like that I mean not as much as I used to because just because gear groupson Facebook kind of have taken the place of a lot of that stuff you know but butyeah I mean it even from the beginning I always my thought was that we wouldn’texist if it wasn’t for the customer so therefore when a customer’s thecustomers the boss you know they’re the ones that that really they’re the onesthat give you your paycheck and I think people not I don’t think it’s asprevalent necessarily like the high-end guitar pedal market but some parts ofthe in my industry where people forget that and they start just focusing onmaking money and then you get a crap product and crap service and you knowjust it makes it for a bad experience for everyone and then they lose marketshare and they’re trying to figure out how do they get it back and then theytry to think of tactics to get it back you know and then the end the problem isreally that you kind of lost your focus like you your customers tell you whatthey want to buy from you and you’re supposed to make that there’s somethingnot right let me know and I’ll and I’ll make sure if there’s a problem I meanthe first thing to do is not necessarily to go in a forum and tell everyone abouthow you know your peddle broke and it shouldn’t have like get a hold of themanufacturer and most most of the time they’ll be pretty quick to get it fixedyou know you know and ifs and things do go wrong I mean there’s times that thisproblems happen mmm no you know but I think with with clarity with thecustomer it goes a long way there are some people though that like no matterwhat when something breaks they’re just gonna throw it away and I don’t knowpetals I’ve gotten off eBay that literally like you just need to put somedioxin in the switch and it’s totally fine just like oh well like a wire destroke great way to do is just ask the manufacturer like hey that’s broken thenyou know they’d probably fix it for you right no noyeah that’s its I mean the guitar pedal industry is actually pretty small itdoesn’t seem like it from the outside but you know a lot of us are pretty goodfriends and we talk to each other a lot and I think we all have pretty much thesame ideals not I mean there’s obviously exceptions to the rule for companiesthat really trying to take it the best way to push me don’t really have thecustomers best interest in in heart but but that’s the that’s the exception Ithink they’re not it they’re not invited to the bowling team that’s right theycan’t go bowling with us again I want to jump back to the tone thing sureI was Erin was a brought up kind of a different subject but it you know youyou to me the sound of the pedal is very very dependent on the amp and the guitarit’s like what what do you typically use and are there certain pedals that youhave that are aimed it like you know single coil Telecaster and some are likemade to pair with the naturally over driven ham for something like that froma design perspective I usually start out with the Telecaster just because it’syou know it’s kind of a good middle of the road plus I mean they’re built likea tank so you can step on it and it won’t break usually but it’s I startfrom there once you get something I like then I’ll go to kind of severaldifferent guitars I got a couple different sectors and a PRS and somestrats and Les Paul and just a variety of different guitars that I’ll play eachone through that circuit same thing with amps so I’m usually starting with aFender amp of some sort and then I go to you know once I get the design that I’msomewhat happy with then I’ll go through boxes mess of boogie mark a coupledifferent Marshalls what else am I going through in thereblues jr. Pro jr. some PvP be classics couple different classes basically justa bunch of different kind of topologies to make sure that it’s gonna work withall the all the different styles of amps because the reality is is there’sgenerally only a handful of different types of amps there may be differentmodifications to that circuit but I mean I a long time there’s a long tail thereyeah yeah yeah again a long-tailed well they’re very nerdy thing but it’s kindof phase inverter that’s in certain amplifiers and you can almost assumethat they’re all gonna behave similarly depending on they all have like 10k tailyou know a basement it’s things that look like a basement are gonna end upfeeling like a basement right you know yeah for the for the most part they’regonna react the same certainly eyes yeah just just basically a built off of a fewdifferent platforms you know so what what are those different amps that likethe different categories that you do to me I mean I kind of I kind of look at itif I had to split it into which I’m trying to dumb this down a little bitmore so because the vast majority of the audiences it’s good only you and me toomuch circuit design wise like I’m thinking Vox like if I had to summarizeit the same AC AC 30 or AC 15 a plexi style circuit so that which kind ofincludes like a basement style thing and then like a black face or a fender typetopology like that’s that’s what wanting to make sure that our pedals work withthe best eye I mean there are pedals that work with better for an over driventone like durty amp like let’s say the Tumnus or even like a tube screamerslike that if you have a dirty amp it’s always going it’s gonna hit that frontend a lot harder and get a lot crunch versus something like you know if yougot a big muff style it’s gonna still sound cool but it’s not gonna do thesame thing so those so that style pedal even though it can overdrive on its ownit also will make a dirty amp even crunch your and tiger it’s definitelywhat I was yeah but I don’t but I think there’s also you also have a group ofpeople who will take a tube screamer or take well let’s stay to score and justuse that for the dirt I mean Stevie Ray Vaughn did that a lotwhere he would just have like like tightrope for example is basically adirty 8 808 it’s a 32 trimmer you know and that’s that’s not a he’s not pushinga Marshall plexi and clipping like you know like what you’d have with you knowtraditional classic rock style tones even though they may still you know likeon Metallica a lot of was a ride the lightning era around that time there wasa lot of Marshalls that were being pushed with a tubescreamer circuitcompletely different tones still using the same pedal just using it differentlyI definitely find like for me running a tube screamer through my amp clean it’snot isn’t the sound that I want but then when it as soon as I push my my amp abit it’s like I don’t know that there’s anything better depending from gig toGig if I’m outside I have to like completely change my pedal the thesettings on all of my pedals in order to get the sound I want compared to beinginside where my am said a much lower volume right yeah it’s it’s uh it’squite a bit fun or whenever you have some have the ability to crank it up alittle bit yeah yeah but I mean but there are some people that you knowthat’s that’s their gig that’s your jam is you know plan a tube screamer or youknow and I say a tube screamer mean what I mean is like a soft clipping type ofpedal that you know into a clean amp to a crystal clean amp that’s just whatthey do and so make it you know I could I again I go back to the seasoninganalogy I mean there’s there’s times that you need pepper and there’s timesthat you need you know mayonnaise you know man isn’treally a seasoning but you see what I’m gonna define the flavor yes do totallydifferent things but they still applied to you know put them in food so whatwhat are your thoughts on it’s like I I love my my rig but there are definitelytimes when I you know I go to Guitar Center and get to plug into somethingelse and and I have a little bit of guitar Envy for a different sound andwe’ve recently had some people on the show talking about some of the thingslike the line six helix and some of the other amp simulators mm-hmm have youspent any time playing through those and do you have a much of an opinion aboutthem when way or the other yeah I mean I think they’re incrediblyhandy I think that type of technology is ridiculously accurate especially ifyou’re if you’re in a situation where you can’t really crank an amp up likewhether that’s you know a club somewhere that just doesn’t have the ability tomic things up properly or doesn’t you know doesn’t have maybe like if you’rein a city where you can’t relate to rag your two 12 cabinet inside of a cab youknow and get to the gig then you need some way to amplify and I think this isa great way to do it or if you just want consistency want the exact same soundevery night that you know you don’t have to mess with it’s just a setting itdoesn’t change because it’s digital and you know just is what it is I thinkthat’s that’s great but it doesn’t it doesn’t compare when you put both in thesame room when you’re playing through a digital unit through a full rangespeaker system it doesn’t compare to having the actual amp in the room youknow turn crank way up loud so loud that it’s shaking every bone in your bodyit’s just it’s it’s a completely different thing it’s almost a religiousexperience and I mean I think they they can sound somewhat different but to theplayer like there’s there’s many things that’s going on like you’rereacting with a lot of different components and I don’t mean likecapacitors resistors necessarily but sound level yeah sound pressure leveleven the way like the way the signal is hitting the circuit itself think you’reattack and you can kind of simulate that in digital but it’s just not it’s notthe exact same thing I think there’s just you know it’s there’s a differencebetween watching a 4k video and experiencing it real life no you know atthe both the same picture but one just has this this different component to itthat you can’t put your finger on it it’s just much more alive real you knowwhy I’m in I’m in the same camp I I’ve been I was impressed by the line six tobut I I don’t think I could switch especially career amount of money like Ialready I love my sound I don’t want to write I don’t need to reinvent the wheelI mean you know if I was doing it if I was doing a gig somewhere where it wasjust the same songs every night and we were just going place to place to placeand they I didn’t really want to be there anyways and I didn’t want thehassle of messing with setting anything up basically if if that was my day joband I hated it yeah I just wanted to get through it then I think that thatapplication works fine yeah you know you use a simulated device all you want butto me that half the fun is half the fun is interacting with what you’re playingand interacting I mean just the way that the amp and the tools that you’re usingare working with or against you sometimes when you fight it and whenit’s fighting you there’s there’s some beauty in that you know and it’s itthat’s a hard thing to explain I’m having trouble explaining myself butthere’s definitely some times where you know you just you’re you’re you’refighting the the context of what you’re playing but it still works out in a verycool way like it inspires you to play something different or play some playera way that you haven’t played beforeand I think you know if I was if I was doing an acoustic gig and you know someopen mic jam or something yeah I’m probably not gonna drag a Marshall withme you know but I mean they have their place they’re convenient I know thisweek has this past weekend you and Blake on the Past chasing tone episode we’retalking about ir’s and how you go through your process of recording andand you know I always have their place they’re convenient they’re you know youcan come up with many different combinations but you’re right there isabsolutely nothing like plugging in and just cranking it up and oh man yeah yeahI mean if I was recording an album you know I would definitely mic everythingwith really well with good good mics and use good preamps and all that sort ofthing but you know like I said on the podcast if if I’m just making somethingfor YouTube I know YouTube’s gonna destroy it anyway by the time theycompress it so any hours worked just fine I don’t think you can tell adifference on YouTube I got a question how would how did you go about designingthe bravado amplifier how do you how do you make a platform cuz I mean we talkedabout like you know a long hair earlier the statement that I said was rathergeneral in terms of like the long hair is not just simply a long till they’reyou know right how much negative feedback is there etc etc right withwith me I was really wanting to go I was actually wanting to make it a threechannel I was really wanting to go over my well the problem is that well onecost I didn’t want to be a $4,000 amp and I thought maybe that if we if wedidn’t do like a pedal platform at first then it might not be really even given aserious thought mostly mostly because we so mostly to retailers and I thinkretailers kind of look at things through a very data based lens you know likeit would make more sense of your retailer to buy an amp from a pedalcompany that was a pedal platform amp versus you know something that thatdoesn’t create you know triple rectifier tones yeah yeah and even though that youknow the making a pedal and making an amp the two worlds aren’t thatdrastically different they’re pretty similar but it doesn’t you know sellingproduct products and making products or two different thingsso so I guess where I was coming from that I wanted a good pedal platformwhich is to me that starsin blackface but then there’s things I don’t likeabout a deluxe or twin like there’s no mids a lot of the mids get well there ismids but it’s kind of this hongki’s kind of thing and I mean it then it’s scoopedout and part of the other area and it’s a little bass heavy and it can be alittle chirpy but you only have like a you know two positions you have a dullsetting and you have a stupidly bright setting on a black face and you got tokind of work in between those parameters so I’m like why don’t we just create aknob that will allow you to go from that dull and then sweep to that bright andit works completely different than like a presence control or treble control soit’s it’s it’s actually changing its changing that that high-pass filterthere but on the volume knob so you probably know I’m talking about yeah soit’s it’s changing that so which is is going to that part of the circuit isgoing to really dictate whenever you throw a drive in front of an amp it’sgonna really dictate whether it’s fizzy or whether it’s you know a little chirpyor just basically its own control like a sizzle yeah that’s that I mean you heara lot of people know they’re talking about Deluxe’s and they say cut out thebright cap that’s what they’re talking aboutmm-hmm but yeah that capacitor forms a filter of sorts that kind of takes thatdistortion and just adds this really sizzle to it so I wanted to be able tohave different degrees of that because I also think that if you’re playing a darkguitar you really want some more brightness mm-hmmand if you’re playing a Telecaster or a Stratocaster you don’t need to havepractice at all it’s plenty bright usually no and I think I think that wasa good way to do it and then I also wanted more Headroom so like a deluxe iscool but it eclipsed I think six B’s kind of clip a little bit differentlythan like a 6l6 I think 6l6 is a little more bottom and and in that that type ofcircuit it give it a little more Headroom you just change the phaseinvert a little bit so it didn’t distort quite as much mm-hmm and yeah so that’swhere we were where we started from like I said I I actually wanted to maketwo different gain channels on maybe the future I can see what I want you tostart with a puddle platform at least err where it makes the most sense tostart with a puddle platform and then probably build build off of that becausethey probably were thinking whoa if you builder the emphasis Orson aren’t youjust kind of you know cutting out the market for your own pedals yeah could beso maybe yes what make another product just like Apple you know let’s let’smake another product to go with your other products right what do they callit a different level seamless integration right so yeah that’s I meanI don’t know we may do another hand um I would I would like to I’ve got some moredesigns I have done but the tubing at market right now is in a really weirdplace especially with you know hand wired stuff it’s just it’s not it’s it’sultra competitive there’s a lot of people in it but it doesn’t seem likeit’s thriving like it once was here four years ago so I don’t know I may sit onit usually that stuff is pretty cyclical so there may sit on that for a littlebit till kind of comes back around will the next one be a smaller amp do youthink I yeah I’ve got some I’ve got some definitely lower lower wattage designsthat I’ve kind of gotten to tank you know what’s your favorite low wattageamp you know I I really like taking thing to do is take like jcm800 and andjust make it like a 5 watt version that’s that’s a fun thing to dowhat’s the one did single yeah yeah better and I think people get hung up somuch on wattage too I mean I can I don’t know I mean you canyou can get at in you know 10 or 15 watt amp you can get a pretty loud if youwant yeah I ever my box one of those a c4c ones one of those new AC fours yepand I popped it open just because it needed some service and the tubes werecompletely cooked and the el84 was I think at like 14 watts or something forthe 12 max right so turn it on then that thing was just immediately like whoaDeluxe over here you know clipping way quicker but I mean right now in terms ofvolume oh yeah don’t think that a 4 watt amp is yes youknow well that 14 watts isn’t gonna be like e-40 right yeah I’m actually abigger fan of taking higher wattage amps and just using a good attenuator reallyI mean that’s that’s where I kind of live most the time have you tried thethe new ox or the Wazza amp expanders haven’t tried the boss I’ve tried the oxyeah this is pretty cool I like it I’m using it with the dog or just through aspeaker cuz I know there’s like extra features when you use it with the dogwhen I tried it it was with speakers yeah I think of this one as he wascareful I try I don’t I don’t have one but uh because I heard you can add likereverb and delay where you’re able to add that through the speaker I believeso yeah it’s been a bit ago since I did it they I think so I heard you couldonly do like one or the other through the dooroh yeah that’s maybe that’s the future they’ve expanded yeah I’m not sure cuz Iwasn’t at the controls I was on the guitar there are they’re turning thingsfor me yeah thank you I can’t reallyit’s that accurately but yes I mean it seemed pretty cool you know I I don’tknow at the other day like not to me again nothing nothing beats just havingdidn’t act and actually up in the room let me know all that’s again the ox andthe campers and the fractals it’s all super handy you know it’s just man justI’d rather have the actual guitar amp speaker next to me you know yeah it’sjust it sounds different than a mic sound you’re always gonna get you’realways going to get the sound of the mic and the preamp and everything else inthe room it was it was recorded in and we also I think like the sound pressurelevel would have a lot to do with how it feeds back mm-hmm into the circuititself and if you simply just don’t have that volume there’s no way I could everactually sound or feel the same way as if it was actually at the real volumegreat so yeah yeah I mean you know stuff is it’s super handy but it’s not uh it’snot super inspiring to me you know if I like it if I’m if I’m writing somethingor if I I’m playing out somewhere I would just rather have the the realthing it’s just more enjoyable to me you know yeah this has been awesome you guysare some good technically well we can’t obviously have Brian wampler on a showand not end with some kind of question about food so sir what are you havingfor lunch today I probably know I got like a weird eating schedule so I kindof just intermittent fasting thing where I basically don’t eat until theafternoon and I just need a ton of food if I do have lunch dinner that’s okay ohit’s no wonder you crazy food if you starve yourself all day yeahI’m really this is gonna sound weird but I’m not really a fan of eating it’s kindof a pain in the ass yeah really really not like I justyou don’t like chewing or I don’t like taking the time to stop right it’s likethe forced the forced stop is welcome I I don’t you just want to keep going Ireally I really do yeah it irritates me when I’ve never I get tired and gotta goto bed so we get to like those meal pills where you can just like take ashoweryeah yes and yet for that yeah again like you were talking about on this pastpodcast with chasing tone you were talking about how you don’t do moviesyou don’t do television I’m like yep right there with you I mean you knowthere’s there’s a lot of people that are into playing guitar and into effects andand that sort of thing and I get it but imagine if that was your job and that’swhat you did every day either you know it’s it’s like there’s never really likea grind where you’re dreading going to work yeah you know and so as a resultlike there’s so many things that I want to do and you know both not with justproducts but with the company and and you know where I’d like to see us infive or ten years and you know there’s not enough time there’s never enoughtime so it’s uh so I guess to answer your question like if if I eat it’sgenerally like hmm what can I make quickly all right chicken it is that’slet’s throw it in the oven it’ll be fine so you don’t have comfort food at all Idon’t do that for food so no I thinkI’ve recently been on an ice cream drumstick kick so all you know and maybea nutty buddy it’s just yeah I mean we just buy big box of drumsticks and if Iget hungry I’ll go grab one and take it you know take it with me and scarf itdown real quick just to get me through that’sprobably not very healthy by the way but uh that’s probably as close to lunch asI get is probably a drumstick it’s a lot of times I perform on the oceanfronthere in Virginia Beach and they’ll put me in front of Cora Brothers ice cream alot of times and so for like three and a half hours I’m like smelling wafflecones baking and why people eat ice cream while they watch me play andthat’s fantastic it’s it’s kind of torture though and so I’ve like I wasnever an ice-cream guy but in the past two summers I’ve become like after everyshow I come home and I have a waffle cone with ice the waffle cones gonna getthe waffle cone smells so good oh that’s fantasticyeah I worked at a ice cream parlour for four years so I love I saw Wowif I did that I’d be 500 pounds so whenever I go to Harris Teeter thegrocery store whenever they have pie is on sale I like I can’t stop myself andI’ll buy I’ll buy an on sale pie I realized recently that I’ve been to Ithink I’ve had pie like constantly for the past like four weeks I had to gether different grocery store to just like not not see on sale pies pie a nap andvanilla ice cream is insanely good timewell Bryan thank you very much for coming on it’s it’s been wonderful wereally do appreciate you stop it on by well thanks have any yeah thank you verymuch could you tell everybody where they canfind out more information about you and Wampler petals sure you can check outthe internet walter petals calm facebook / waffle petals instagram / wamplerpetals twitter / walk foot petals just look up there’s not really a URL foryoutube so just like a poplar pedal ship you’ll see it andthere’s anything I’m forgetting no no tick tock yet you got personal snapchatbut I never use really anymore but that’s about it and chasing toteit’s tasty too there you go about the podcast so yeah she seemed tone podcastif you’re into audio thank you Brian well thank you guys I appreciate it yeahme too that’s my scream a little in fact earlier yeah